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Old 01-10-2009, 11:46 AM   #26
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Re: Ending Tyrrany Without Violence

btw if Ron Paul had won would you still be calling it tyrrany?
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:08 PM   #27
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Of course, there is one recent example of orderly dissolution of a state, when Czechoslovakia amicably broke up into two separate states without violence. Of course, that may just be the result of removing oppression that held the state together.
after they had unwillingly been part of the ussr for so many years it would have been pretty hypocritical of the government to try and hold the country together.
Um . . .
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:42 PM   #28
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Not necessarily. I think most people are content with the amount of freedom they have now.
I think you're right that a lot of people would say this, but they don't realize that other aspects of life that they are discontented with, like their economic situations, are really caused by a lack of freedom--both for these people as individuals (income tax, inflation), and for the wider society (taxes and regulation stifle economic growth around them).

I also think these people would change their tunes pretty quickly if they or their loved ones were drafted for war, imprisoned without trial, subjected to martial law, or any of the other violations of freedom that haven't happened to them, but could happen under extreme circumstances since legal protections for fundamental liberties have been removed. If people studied history and really thought through these risks, I think they would be much less content with the amount of freedom they have.

But in reality, scare tactics that focus on the immediate potential risks of freedom (often imaginary) are much more effective than arguments like these, so I think TOAFK has a point.

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Old 01-12-2009, 10:57 AM   #29
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no way you can overthrow any form of government without violence imo. thats what makes it a revolution.
theoretically if 90% of the people in the US decided to abolish the current Government and replace it with a new one, very little violence would be necessary

the fact is the US Government needs the people more than the people need it

those gears can't turn without the people

not something I think will happen unfortunately
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Old 01-12-2009, 11:03 AM   #30
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One reason was the government does just enough to keep the people happy and the other of course was that in order for a secession to happen a majority of the people need to be strongly supporting it. Well it seems much easier and plausible for a minority of the people to be ready for a violent takeover.
"...and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security."

- The Declaration of Independence
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:42 PM   #31
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Re: Ending Tyrrany Without Violence



pretty sure these guys would agree with the OP
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:08 PM   #32
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I personally believe that so long as humans continue building our informational infrastructure (internet->Wikipedia/etc), AC-land is inevitable.
Yes I mean, it's broken so it has to break right?
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:32 PM   #33
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:37 PM   #34
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Yes I mean, it's broken so it has to break right?
What do you mean? Can't tell if this is serious or sarcastic (I suspect the latter).
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:51 PM   #35
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No I'm serious, states are broken, the idea of a functioning state* is broken imo. It grows and grows and pop goes to weasle.

*) from my perspective as a non-power hungry dude.
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Old 01-14-2009, 12:00 AM   #36
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Haha, ok. I was a little confused since your post could just as easily have been written by Elliot and interpreted as sarcasm.
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