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Originally Posted by [Phill]
DIB,
this is easily solved by guys not banging drunk chicks.
So two people engaging in sex while intoxicated = Man banging drunk chicks?!
This frame puts 100% of the responsibility on men. I think what we're learning is, within the current system, men shouldn't have sex when they've been drinking because if the woman wakes up and feels raped he's left very defenseless. This is true regardless of, most importantly in my mind, how much more or less intoxicated the woman was than the man, as well as any other contextual information of the act itself (i.e. how much assent was given by both parties, how "into it" both were at the time, etc etc etc.). This is where my problem lies; why does the woman being drunk matter when it comes to consent, but so little attention or care is given to the man's level of intoxication? Is the power differential between men and women so significant that it trumps all else...?
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
ikes: you keep skipping the step where having sex with a drunk woman who reports being raped is rape in college.
I'll get personal here but in fact I ****ed woman (one woman) drunk all the time in college. True story. We were dating but that's besides the point. No one is arguing that was rape. I will go to the UM alumni group or disciplinary board or whatever and my partner at the time (now wife) and I will cop to this fact and I doubt anyone will bat an eyelash, not now, and wouldn't have then. Why do you think that is?
DV, let's assume for the sake of this discussion that Ikes' author's description of the current state of school policies is true. We'll assume everything is the same about your anecdote except 1) we pretend your coitus occurred in contemporary times and 2) your current wife woke up the next day feeling raped and made a report. You would very likely be convicted and your life course would be altered dramatically. Would this new twist on your anecdote mean you had raped her? I ask because the act itself was identical, and seemingly only her feelings afterwards changed. This, to me, looking from the outside, just doesn't feel like rape at all.