Thank you, thought literally the same thing...that someone might claim plagiarism, lol.

I may or may not deal with the magic realism coming from #dudeliterally, I'm feeling pretty comfortable resting my case at this point. Them boys have yet to bring much to the table other than character attacks, assertions without references, and referrals to themselves as authorities (overtly or otherwise). Think this well is dry.

Take it easy Ike, we're all on the same side in this battle, trust me. We're all rape apologists.

FWIW, I don't even agree with you either, and RAINN apparently. I think these tribunals should be allowed for some of the same reasons everyone else does. But it's close, and I can see your points. It'll all get worked out hopefully.

Your only a rape apologist if you think colleges should have no ability to discipline their students, which Ikes directly disagreed with. How is this that hard for your guys to understand? When your views are too extreme for Ikes that should be a hint that you are off the reservation.

You're a rape apologist if you say this:

Under the bizarre "no discipline" rules endorsed ITT, that BYU basketball player who got kicked off the team for ****ing his girlfriend should've told the girl to say it was rape but then provide contradictory and weird testimony so he didn't get convicted.

lol dib. Just lol. Just incredible. And this guy is supposed to be a social worker? I weep for the people who will come in contact with him.

So is that your excuse for turning off your brain and not considering the point of the post? Because you know, there are a lot of people who have this very same opinion, thus alot of heck of alot of rape apologists out here. Maybe if you could have a discourse with us, explaining precisely where our ideas are wrong, you could make a difference.

Btw, to my point in that post, any Europeans out there who can comment on how prevalent rape is in college over there?

Also should be said that the people who are resorting to calling DiB a rape apologist are full of **** and suuuuper lazy.

Fly, your hard stance when it comes to schools having a requirement to report to police is a little weird. I'm with you all the way on everything else. Of course schools should be able to punish these guys without having to wait for the legal outcome. But for a crime as serious as rape, they also should have to pass this information on to police in order for future victims to be protected. I understand that this may cause slightly less girls to report, but these guys need to be dealt with in addition to school punishment.

If that quote doesnt make you a rape apologist FnD it makes you a rape cheerleader or something. It definitely doesnt make you a normal person.

And btw I am not American and grew up in the free love Europe or whatever the **** you think happens outside America.

Pretty much, he is more of a rape facilitator given the policy changes he wants stopping universities from protecting students.

Okay, I'm a cheerleader for rape. It certainly couldn't be I want to understand the problem any better so we can fix it. FWIW, I spent a year in Denmark in HS and noticed they don't treat sex as a sin over there. Can you comment on the prevalence of rape in University? I expect there are fewer there. If that's the case, why?

lol no that's bull**** too gtfo phil.

Rape is so high in universities because people put themselves in vulnerable positions a lot. That's not to blame them for being a victim of a crime or excusing criminals, but college is a time of binge drinking and blackout drunkenness. Bad things happen to people in those states and people in those states do bad things.

http://www.theguardian.com/education...culture-campus

yeah, rape culture!

bull****. There is no significant rape culture of any kind anymore than there's a theft culture or fighting culture.

I wish you were right but sadly, as with most things you post - you are not

Dude, even if European colleges have less rape, that doesn't mean that it's because their women are better educated to know that casual sex is not rape. It's much more likely because the European men know better to not commit rape! How about you go up to rape survivors and explain to them how if only they knew better, then they would know that they weren't really raped, it was just casual drunken sex, just like in Europe?

That you would have the gall to think that women don't even know what rape is, and that they wouldn't be so traumatized by the whole experience if only they were more willing to put out, is completely appalling.

No it's true. People get raped. People get robbed. People get killed. People have bad things happen to them all the time. There are no cultures of any appreciable size on any US campus that support or condone rape.

Rape culture is a term that uses victims of rape to attack all men and society as a whole, and not much more. It's not a description of reality.

Yeah america seems pretty below average wrt its treatment of women (for a western country) obviously I can't speak for any women anywhere but when talking to girls here about #yesallwomen they see the body image crap of photoshopped models masqueraded as real women but they don't seem to feel the same omnipresent menace that is so depressing about those tweets. Obviously this is lol sample size but I found it somewhat interesting.

I'm sorry you find this excercise of thinking so appalling. How do you explain why two women here in the US can have the exact same experience, for instance, both wake up with no memory of what happened but know they had sex with a stranger. One feels raped, the other goes to McDonalds, orders a shake, and forgets about it just like a typical guy would? I'm guessing the second scenario happens way more in Europe, and if so it might be because they don't think having sex is evil, thus feel less often violated.

Check out the RAINN letter dib posted. They don't believe in "rape culture."

Should the police compel the victim to cooperate with this investigation? Should they hold her in contempt of court if she refuses to testify? Think through exactly what you're asking for here, in what sort of situation you're allegedly "solving" a problem. Colleges are already required to report this **** through the Clery act, but you can't make someone go to the police if they don't want to.

"My student told me she got raped but didn't want to go to the police" being told to the police will result in more guys getting dealt with.... how?

The assumption that there's routinely no differences in what happened before waking up between the women who think they are rape victims and the shake drinkers is tremendously misguided, as is the assumption that women who are so drunk they can't remember anything about the night before are routinely sober enough to consent.

Oh man I bet Team Rape Apology might seize on that contempt of court thing and incorporate that into their totally sincere and non-bull**** policy suggestions here.

I mean, the only reason we even know about rape underreporting is because women tell scientists and **** about rapes they didn't tell the cops about.

So clearly, if we cared about rape, we'd subpoena those scientists for their survey data, and then we'd find the women who said they were raped but didn't tell the cops and threaten to charge them with obstruction of justice if they don't provide all the details.