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06-25-2010 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
Oil spill is not the same as a ruptured newly drilled well. 30 years ago a similar incident occurred, the manual should have included a chapter. If it were only a theoretical accident then the omission could be understandable.
You're engaged in an alternative reality.

Oil Spill

An oil spill is a release of a liquid petroleum hydrocarbon into the environment due to human activity, and is a form of pollution. The term often refers to marine oil spills, where oil is released into the ocean or coastal waters. Oil spills include releases of crude oil from tankers, offshore platforms, drilling rigs and wells, as well as spills of refined petroleum products (such as gasoline, diesel) and their by-products, and heavier fuels used by large ships such as bunker fuel, or the spill of any oily refuse or waste oil. Spills may take months or even years to clean up.[1]



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The industry wants to proceed on a backwards thinking strategy on environmental issues, while they use a forward thinking plan for extraction issues. Former is a cost while the latter is a profit, I get it makes financial sense.
Source and apparently if so US govt does to.

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To clean up the mess is actually easy, skimmer barges, fleets upon fleets working in the Gulf could control the slick. Just add $$$$$$$$$. But the underlying issue(full pun intended) is the new oil ejected by full pressure. Where was the plan to address the possibility?
I don't know, point is though that apparently BP followed US law in developing the plan.

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If you lobby hard enough, grease the appropriate wheels, you can change anything. They chose the probable(less expensive) over the possible.

Gov't is as guilty as the exploration companies, they both believe its acceptable to **** up and just pass the costs along.
To me this is stating the models in question were developed in bad faith. I doubt that very much, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
06-25-2010 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Shareholder lawsuits against companies the shareholders think screwed up are pretty standard and can be successful. I have heard of several of these before.
+1

very true, the merits of such depend on circumstances. The irony to me is that some will claim that they're shaking down BP.

Last edited by adios; 06-25-2010 at 02:35 PM.
06-25-2010 , 05:13 PM
Judge Martin Feldman Receives Death Threats After Banning Drilling Moratorium

Before the moratorium, Obama instructed Interior Secretary Ken Salazar to convene a panel of experts to determine what needed to be done now to further protect the Gulf area. After the panel signed off on the final report, Salazar and Obama changed the report, indicating the panel agreed with to a moratorium. In fact, they did just the opposite and a Berkley professor (yes, Berkley!) called Salazar on it, who then admitted he AND Obama changed the report to suit their preference for a moratorium:

If anyone should be questioned, it is the Interior Secretary Ken Salazar who disregarded the advice of his own scientific experts in declaring the deep water drilling moratorium. In the wake of the Judge’s ruling, Salazar said he would issue a “refined” moratorium, ask for a stay of the ruling and appeal the decision. Some legal experts predicted the preliminary injunction would lead the government to compromise on the moratorium. In fact, Salazar decided to be confrontational instead of working with business interests in Louisiana to find common ground.
06-25-2010 , 05:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bzy...&feature=email

Haven't seen this posted yet and its worth watching for a sense of what might actually be going on there
06-26-2010 , 03:59 AM
So the leak is still there pumping out ****, how come the coverage of the consequences has dropped right off the radar?
06-26-2010 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
So the leak is still there pumping out ****, how come the coverage of the consequences has dropped right off the radar?
Haiti just called. It said to remind you that Americans have a limited threshold for acknowledging unpleasant world events.
06-26-2010 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Haiti just called. It said to remind you that Americans have a limited threshold for acknowledging unpleasant world events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295rk7z53dE
06-26-2010 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Haiti just called. It said to remind you that Americans have a limited threshold for acknowledging unpleasant world events.


Yea. We are responsible for all the world tragedies...
06-26-2010 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
So the leak is still there pumping out ****, how come the coverage of the consequences has dropped right off the radar?
Typical for USA drive-by media. It's getting coverage in the USA tbh.
06-26-2010 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER


Yea. We are responsible for all the world tragedies...
Did I say that? Get a grip.
06-26-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey
Did I say that? Get a grip.
No, you implied it. That's how you post, with plenty of wiggle room.
06-27-2010 , 12:10 AM
I'm ANGRY.
I'm angry. How long is Obama going to sit around while oil pours into the gulf of mexico, people lose thier jobs, and wildlife is getting killed off by the thousands. The well intentioned far left environmentalists who are too scared of nuclear energy to ever move us far enough away from oil can't be happy about the environmental disaster that's consuming the gulf coast right now. Every minute that goes by, more oil spills, more peoples lives are destroyed and the US looks more and more ineffectual. This is a big problem and it needs a BIG solution, not more talk, not more of BP trying to salvage it's own vested interests. You want to talk about money and resources lost? Every day that the oils spills money and resources are lost. Shut the damn oil well off and drill another one later. Save the precious oil since that's what it's all about anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU
06-27-2010 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
No, you implied it. That's how you post, with plenty of wiggle room.
bull****, you utter straw man champion... i didn't imply anything of the sort...

what i "implied" was (and this would be clear to anyone reading the forum sober), American consumers grow quickly apathetic to bad news, and the news media responds by averting their eyes from it all.... NO WHERE did I imply that the U.S. was "responsible" for Haiti, or anything else.

grow up.
06-27-2010 , 01:34 AM
Someone's touchy today.

more like "udder" though
06-27-2010 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
Someone's touchy today.

more like "udder" though
yeah, i tend to get that way when people intentionally and completely misrepresent my position on an issue.... it's the snarkiest form of rude.
06-27-2010 , 01:57 AM
yeah, i didn't read that in Jiggs' post at all really...
06-27-2010 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian J
yeah, i didn't read that in Jiggs' post at all really...
Orly?

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Haiti just called. It said to remind you that Americans have a limited threshold for acknowledging unpleasant world events
So, who is he calling out here? I'm pretty sure that global reporting no longer has Haiti in the headlines either.

I'm just sick of this type posting. Then he starts with the name calling and insults.

Whatever.
06-27-2010 , 03:23 AM
Check out this ship that can take in 500,000 barrels of oil/water a day for processing. It's on it's way to the gulf and is a privately owned Taiwanese ship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjGd3FnDjzY
06-27-2010 , 04:23 AM
yeah check out the kicker in the video about the EPA's not wanting to let them discharge, which basically would make the ship useless. i posted about this in the other thread as the dutch had similar ships standing by the day after the spill started. the pass that the O administration is getting on this and other type issues is amazing. but hey, there's nothing he can do!
06-27-2010 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
Someone's touchy today.
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
Orly?



So, who is he calling out here? I'm pretty sure that global reporting no longer has Haiti in the headlines either.

I'm just sick of this type posting. Then he starts with the name calling and insults.

Whatever.
Hmmmmm.
06-28-2010 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jcsmithson
I'm ANGRY.
I'm angry. How long is Obama going to sit around while oil pours into the gulf of mexico, people lose thier jobs, and wildlife is getting killed off by the thousands. The well intentioned far left environmentalists who are too scared of nuclear energy to ever move us far enough away from oil can't be happy about the environmental disaster that's consuming the gulf coast right now. Every minute that goes by, more oil spills, more peoples lives are destroyed and the US looks more and more ineffectual. This is a big problem and it needs a BIG solution, not more talk, not more of BP trying to salvage it's own vested interests. You want to talk about money and resources lost? Every day that the oils spills money and resources are lost. Shut the damn oil well off and drill another one later. Save the precious oil since that's what it's all about anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU
Wall Street Journal:

hypocrite, IMO

You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.



and....

Investors.com

lol, go brazil!!!

Energy Policy: Our interior secretary plans to reinstate the offshore drilling moratorium struck down by a federal judge. But if deep-water drilling is so unsafe, why are we helping Brazil drill nearly three times as deep?

Maybe Secretary Ken Salazar can explain why Britain and others can safely drill in the North Sea and no other nation has suspended its offshore drilling. Yet there he was Tuesday saying he'll reissue a reworded moratorium that will make it clear to dunces like U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman why offshore drilling is unsafe.



Does this piss you off?
06-28-2010 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jcsmithson
I'm ANGRY.
I'm angry. How long is Obama going to sit around while oil pours into the gulf of mexico, people lose thier jobs, and wildlife is getting killed off by the thousands. The well intentioned far left environmentalists who are too scared of nuclear energy to ever move us far enough away from oil can't be happy about the environmental disaster that's consuming the gulf coast right now. Every minute that goes by, more oil spills, more peoples lives are destroyed and the US looks more and more ineffectual. This is a big problem and it needs a BIG solution, not more talk, not more of BP trying to salvage it's own vested interests. You want to talk about money and resources lost? Every day that the oils spills money and resources are lost. Shut the damn oil well off and drill another one later. Save the precious oil since that's what it's all about anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU
Ah, the old "just turn the well off". Surprised no one has thought of this. Stop golfing, playing basketball, and trying to get revenge at Bobby Jindal, Obama! Turn it off! ARRGGGHHHHH
06-28-2010 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Does this piss you off?
Not really. If a bunch of people were crapping in my yard and I could pay a little money to get them to go down the street and crap in my neighbors yard, I would do it.

I'd still be against crapping in yards, but it would be a quick fix to my problem.
06-28-2010 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Wall Street Journal:

hypocrite, IMO

You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.



and....

Investors.com

lol, go brazil!!!

Energy Policy: Our interior secretary plans to reinstate the offshore drilling moratorium struck down by a federal judge. But if deep-water drilling is so unsafe, why are we helping Brazil drill nearly three times as deep?

Maybe Secretary Ken Salazar can explain why Britain and others can safely drill in the North Sea and no other nation has suspended its offshore drilling. Yet there he was Tuesday saying he'll reissue a reworded moratorium that will make it clear to dunces like U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman why offshore drilling is unsafe.



Does this piss you off?
Salazar blowing smoke? Haven't seen this reworded moratorium yet. IIRC everything regarding the drilling is on hold awaiting ruling on appeal which is expected in next week or so. This whole issue seems to be resolvable through mediation to me but could be convinced otherwise. What a waste.
06-28-2010 , 02:32 PM
Obama Warns World Leaders ‘Millions Could Die’ From Gulf Oil Disaster

get ready for martial law and the end of america as we know it.

      
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