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Does anyone else think this ends with Trump in prison? Does anyone else think this ends with Trump in prison?

10-16-2016 , 08:09 AM
Here's my view on the aftermath of this election for Donald Trump.

1) He's clearly done some super shady stuff in the past. This means that more likely than not if someone with subpoena power starts digging he's in big trouble.

2) He's managed to completely enrage more than half of the public and the establishment of both political parties. The odds are he's managed to personally irritate most of the prosecutors in the country.

I'd say his best chance is to get a pardon from Hillary... But that's a pretty serious long shot. First off she would have to pardon him for everything he's ever done without even knowing what that happens to be, this is different than pardoning Nixon after he resigned.

He does have the advantage that he's almost certainly going to start a media company when this is over. The democrats might actually want Donald Trump to hang around as long as possible tarnishing the GOP brand. This doesn't help him with Republican prosecutors though... They may want to make sure that he doesn't profit from this disaster, as that could encourage future populists to run.

All in all I'd say that generally speaking if you've committed multiple felonies in your business life it's inadvisable to go out and infuriate the entire political elite of the country. Seems very -EV to me.
10-16-2016 , 08:11 AM
No.
10-16-2016 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by florentinopeces
No.
Why? Do you think he hasn't made enough powerful enemies to warrant a politically motivated prosecution? Or do you believe that he's never committed any form of fraud?
10-16-2016 , 08:26 AM
What laws did he break?
10-16-2016 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
What laws did he break?
Given what we know about his business practices I'd say the burden of proof isn't on me. Trump University was probably full blown fraud for starters.
10-16-2016 , 08:35 AM
I dunno, Donald Trump has a lot of money and can afford the best lawyers. I suspect he would not end up in prison, but could be tied up in the legal system for a long time.
10-16-2016 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
I dunno, Donald Trump has a lot of money and can afford the best lawyers. I suspect he would not end up in prison, but could be tied up in the legal system for a long time.
I doubt he can compete with the resources of the state. If they want you bad enough they will find a way... And I think it's pretty clear at this point that he's really earned some animosity.
10-16-2016 , 08:39 AM
Skipping the sexual assaults I don't think I have seen enough to warrant a prosecution that lands him behind bars. The Foundation shenanigans seem more of a fine. The Biondi "bribe" would have to land her in prison first and then maybe he would follow.
I hope that politically motivated prosecutions don't come to pass. Seems so banana republic.
10-16-2016 , 08:39 AM
I sincerely hope he is not prosecuted for anything he wouldn't have been prosecuted for if he hadn't run for POTUS. That would set an awful precedent to end a historically awful election.
10-16-2016 , 08:43 AM
No. Moving on...
10-16-2016 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
I doubt he can compete with the resources of the state. If they want you bad enough they will find a way... And I think it's pretty clear at this point that he's really earned some animosity.
Excellent points. Only time will tell. We'll see.
10-16-2016 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
I doubt he can compete with the resources of the state. If they want you bad enough they will find a way... And I think it's pretty clear at this point that he's really earned some animosity.
This is not how the legal system works, regardless of what Trump thinks. This is why his rhetoric is so dangerous. Our system is actually pretty damn solid.
10-16-2016 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
This is not how the legal system works, regardless of what Trump thinks. This is why his rhetoric is so dangerous. Our system is actually pretty damn solid.
This.
10-16-2016 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I sincerely hope he is not prosecuted for anything he wouldn't have been prosecuted for if he hadn't run for POTUS. That would set an awful precedent to end a historically awful election.
You need two things to be prosecuted in America.

1) Someone with the power to prosecute you must think that prosecuting you is good for their career.

2) The person from 1) must feel that you are either easy to prosecute (which usually is all it takes to satisfy the first requirement) or there must be some public outrage about either the type of behavior you indulged in (scapegoat) or they need to really want to see you fall personally.

Trump didn't used to be a target because what was the point? For a prosecutor to take his scalp they would have to wade through all the bull**** of prosecuting someone with max legal defense for a few headlines.

Trump changed all of that by putting a HUGE target on his back. Now the person who takes Trump out will be able to point to that for the rest of their career... Just like Giuliani got to talk about how tough on crime he was for using extremely dubious legal means to take out the Westy's.
10-16-2016 , 10:36 AM
Yes, Trump will be found guilty of stealing money from his charity.

New York attorney general, Eric T. Schneiderman, is hot on the trail.

Trump has been stealing money from the charity since the late 80's

Trump is so cheap, he stole $7 from it to pay Boy Scout dues for one of his kids, how cheap can you get.
10-16-2016 , 10:40 AM
If he incites violence post-election I hope they do arrest him.
10-16-2016 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
You need two things to be prosecuted in America.

1) Someone with the power to prosecute you must think that prosecuting you is good for their career.

2) The person from 1) must feel that you are either easy to prosecute (which usually is all it takes to satisfy the first requirement) or there must be some public outrage about either the type of behavior you indulged in (scapegoat) or they need to really want to see you fall personally.

Trump didn't used to be a target because what was the point? For a prosecutor to take his scalp they would have to wade through all the bull**** of prosecuting someone with max legal defense for a few headlines.

Trump changed all of that by putting a HUGE target on his back. Now the person who takes Trump out will be able to point to that for the rest of their career... Just like Giuliani got to talk about how tough on crime he was for using extremely dubious legal means to take out the Westy's.
Where is the outrage going to come from? TRUMP is almost certainly going to lose. He will be humiliated, reduced to a punchline. Every single person in the country is disgusted by this election and thinks it can't end soon enough. The only people who will still be riled up on Nov. 9 will be a handful of diehard TRUMP supporters. The rest of us will be more than happy to put the whole fiasco behind us.

TRUMP's probably looking at fines for campaign finance and/or charities shenanigans. Barring some major new bombshell, he ain't going to prison. Even if the underage sex case goes to trial, it's still just a civil suit.
10-16-2016 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
I hope that politically motivated prosecutions don't come to pass. Seems so banana republic.
I think Obama easily could have set up a special prosecutor that would've landed Bush, Cheney, and a lot of that gang in jail or at least serious trouble. But I agree. We don't want to be sending political rivals to jail.

That said, it might not be such a bad thing if a failed candidate's past deeds (if unlawful and brought to light) were subject to prosecution or at least punitive litigation. Maybe we'd get start getting some more honest politicians?

There's no doubt (in my mind) that Trump is a fraud and scam artist who broke countless laws. But then, so has his opponent. So I'd say the answer to OP's question is no. He will not end up in prison.
10-16-2016 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredSocial
I doubt he can compete with the resources of the state. If they want you bad enough they will find a way... And I think it's pretty clear at this point that he's really earned some animosity.
But you can make the same case for HRC. The only difference is, she's an insider who skirted the system and isn't creating more and more enemies as she goes along.

I'd like to think that the Trump brand is now toast. But sadly, he will almost certainly start his own media empire and reap riches from it.

You underestimate the numbers. 1/2 the population supports this turd. Win or lose, he'll come out fine. If anything, I think he'll come out better if/when he loses.
10-16-2016 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat

I'd like to think that the Trump brand is now toast. But sadly, he will almost certainly start his own media empire and reap riches from it.

You underestimate the numbers. 1/2 the population supports this turd. Win or lose, he'll come out fine. If anything, I think he'll come out better if/when he loses.
I might be in the minority, but I really don't believe Trump will build a successful media empire....in part, because after the election he will be a loser. One of the things propping him up now is his success. Without it, there's not much attraction.

I can see him being a frequent guest on Hannity, or maybe having a weekly show on FOX news. But building a media empire takes too much time and effort and is a roll of the dice. He's getting too old and fat to have the energy for it. I think his roar will diminish to a whimper after the election.
10-16-2016 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I sincerely hope he is not prosecuted for anything he wouldn't have been prosecuted for if he hadn't run for POTUS. That would set an awful precedent to end a historically awful election.
it would set the precedent of not running for president if you're currently engaged in criminal activities, which we know is the case for trump
10-16-2016 , 03:06 PM
Even if there was powerful evidence against him, he could plead insanity and no one would disagree.
10-16-2016 , 03:17 PM
Doesn't the president have immunity?
10-16-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
Doesn't the president have immunity?
No.

He might or might not be able to pardon himself, but that's never come up (yet). The standard play is to have your successor pardon you. Seems unlikely.

MM MD
10-16-2016 , 03:26 PM
bill had some on-going lawsuits that were put on hold while he was in the white house iirc

      
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