Does it?

It is time for US to show the world it will not accept a leader and the people supporting him being so divisive, so prone to lies, manipulations, doing whatever it takes to win at all cost and without any decency and integrity and care for the common humanity of all citizens.

I think that gerrymandering is dangerously destroying any fairness in the system and making possible for minorities to rule permanently, holding hostage the true will of the people and times. I am afraid we have witnessed the erection of a dystopia. Popular revolt may be the only solution soon.

I think a political apartheid is being raised in US step by step for years now.

Elections have consequences. How we treat each other matters. How we choose to fight for noble causes matters and wins the opponent's hearts and minds eventually, especially the centrists. If you are not careful you will lose the control to dangerous people. It is unforgivable how a charlatan that has been self promoting hot air and lies all his life, lacking any substance of character and compassion or understanding for the human condition has become the insecure egomaniac leader of such an important for the world country.

People have witnessed a nightmare come to life. They have seen men and women of the republican party unable to rise up and oppose such ugliness daily. Political opportunism, fear of losing positions and being shunned by indeed deplorable people has replaced any sense of integrity and principles. Sometimes a leader needs to lose in order to show that some things are more important than a position. If you lose your position because you held your principles high then yes you can retire from the game knowing you were not corrupted by it. And maybe the times will come to rise again and remain a person of principle that didn't yield to the monster. Where is that?

A conservative party that in principle has historically claimed to stand for family values and Christian principles has allowed in every living room a permanent corruption source for its youth with conduct unbecoming, inconsistent with the role of a president. Is it indeed so important to win at all costs, even if you lost your soul as a country? Are these the people you want deciding your future? Cowards?

Does the population have what it takes to terminate the reign of such unethical leader by depriving him the crutches that supported and tolerated his conduct, closing their eyes to madness?

If America has still what it takes these elections will show something remarkable to the rest of the world. That nobody can come and steal your democracy and have the population accept it in defeat, silent, apathetic, unwilling to reject and dethrone such horrific set of characters and the world criminals that assisted them there.


Is the apartheid system already in place to permanently rig elections for the minority? Or will the descent end here?

END IT NOW

How can we all help end it here? We can remain united in our desire to have a better political experience where disagreements do not imply endless divisiveness that will ultimately destroy everything. Can we all join and demand better than this endless tribalism?

Trump represents the USA, which is a nation of fat, lazy, entitled, overly sensitive, poorly educated, carelessly thinking, whiners who hate paying taxes and their hyperpassive aggressive, beard wearing, hipster, Tesla driving, good game talking, progressive posing, neo liberal, childless children living downstairs.

The rest of us need a voice but they are all sure we are idiots.

Opened thread, mouse at the ready to click NO.

Disappointed.

This isn't a reversible blip; it's a downward spiral into a far right Hell since WW2.

Folks in the US forget that the bull**** they learned in school about freedom and the melting pot is just that, bull****. A lot of the support for Trump is about self-entitled, lazy, well inherited, fat people looking for a narrative in which they made it all for themselves through their hard work and enterprise.

Might take a third tribe.

Definitely the way to end this tribalism is multi-thousand-word apologetics on behalf of someone who compared Mexicans to cockroaches.

Sadly looking from the outside as a CDN I would say your going to go through more of this for a while. I like the USA but get a kick out of the fact you still think your the greatest country in the world. I get why folks voted for Trump but have no clue why they still support the man. He in no way represents the party.

Though I think Republicans will keep the house and senate and repeal Obamacare and Trump wins in 2020. Hope I am wrong on all points.

can someone give me the cliffnotes of this surely-ebola-infested OP?

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-con...eredVoters.pdf

M3A_1 Do you approve or disapprove of the job President Trump is doing on ...? The economy
Approve:
Republicans: 88%
Democrat: 31%
Independent: 54%

M3A_5 Do you approve or disapprove of the job President Trump is doing on ...? Stimulating jobs
Approve:
Republican: 87%
Democrat: 32%
Independent: 55%

Somehow the most masque thread title ever lol

I doubt it. Most likely it's going to get much worse even if along the way we get some improved times.

The danger of 'merica was always going to be when it had to come to terms with losing it's status as top dog - people really struggle to accept the reality of a loss of status, we still have brits who think we should rule the waves. That things have got so bad while they are still #1 in the world (by might and money) is a staggering demonstration of what a ****ed up place it is.

Not many signs of hope that it's a country that even wants to come together and find a decent way forward, let alone one capable of it.

But they will get there in the end. Perhaps "after they've tried everything else"

The next 20+ years are going to be dark in America.

Still waiting for Trump's Reichstag moment.

Same here. And my gut is telling me that moment will happen relatively soon. I hope I'm wrong. But one way or another, it will happen sooner or later.

I ask my few trumpaholic friends what the tipping point is. Does THEDONALD have to nuke Iran ? Nuke Canada ?

If we together here cannot "get it together" and try to help the country we love to improve any way we can, with friendship, understanding, work, example of noble behavior, service to the fellow men and community ie personal responsibility and instead what we choose to do is still find ways to tear each other down when it is entirely clear we all should want to save it then yes we are in trouble and it is indeed true;

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings"

How can we save the country from the monster and the lunatics supporting him if we cannot prove worthy of our own ideals?

So maybe we should first examine how we got here and our role in it not as the monsters but as the ones that should know better more than them.

For the world to go to hell all it takes is for the good people to do nothing but watch.

END IT NOW

You need a revolution of the heart. Good luck with that.

The fear mongering of "others" has been with us for a long time. For you young whippersnappers that were born after 1988. google Willie Horton.

This era will be known by historians as the last gasp of old white men to remain on top of the social mountain of the privileged. But, no one can stop the march of time or the demographic change occurring in America.

The encouraging news is that your good friend Angela Merkel is taking a bold leadership role and blocking arms sales to Saudi Arabia. We can all learn a lot from Germany.

Grunching, but no.

No and I reject the "still" in your original thread title. America has almost never had it what takes to reject fascism. It was founded as a slaveholding white settler-colony empire under the guise of a democratic republic. Every single manipulation was made to make sure that it was not actually democratic or a republic. Even when the spectre of chattel slavery was thankfully ended with a horrible bloody Civil War, prison slavery was immediately instituted as part of the 13th amendment and we have been dealing with a racial prison-slave system ever since which prioritizes putting black men and boys into capitalist slavery over any kind of justice or ethical practices.

We all know about the 18th and 19th centuries. The United States spent its time stealing massive amounts of wealth from enslaved African residents, committing genocide on indigenous people throughout the world, and conquering various territories to create slave colonies of their own.

In the 20th century the United States spent most of its time fighting communism and overthrowing democratically elected governments, an ongoing extension of colonialism and imperialism. It continues to this very day, under both liberal and conservative administrations. The war on the Global South rages on and it has never stopped. And you want to ask if we can "still" reject the descent into fascism?

Going back to one of the few good blips in history, the rejection of chattel slavery, it would only be a few years later that northern liberals would declare a glorious "compromise" with southern conservatives which would allow for a violent rejection of the diverse bodies of governance which had taken hold in the South. This Compromise of 1877 resulted in a hundred years+ reign of terror in massive swaths of the country, and the terror only seems to be spreading rather than being diminished.

Even now we blame our political ills on "nonvoters", people who have been so disenfranchised and humiliated by our political and economic systems that it's a damn wonder they are still able to survive and make it through the day every day. And you want to blame them for not being able to vote, on a TUESDAY, when they don't get the day off, when they're working three jobs just to pay the rent, and they don't have a car. How are they supposed to do that? How are they the problem?

Settler-colonies are trash and they cannot be redeemed.

This is a really good post. I appreciate it .

Lol at nuking Iran being the tipping point. That woudln’t even dent his approval rating.

The tipping point would be to have a tape of him talking to his family in the most derogatory terms about his own supporters and how he manipulates them like puppets with exactly what they want to hear while giving them nothing of true substance long term.

Frankly if there is no massive rejection of the republicans in the elections moreover the horrific gerrymandering in place making it tough to win even when you win popular votes, then the US is in deep $hit, worse than the one under Bush. It is already worse than with Bush in ethical terms although its hard to top the Iraqi situation.

A crash is inevitable in the economy under this moron. The conditions are already in place.