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Did I do Anything Worthwhile? Did I do Anything Worthwhile?

01-05-2019 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I didn’t cry about it, I quit.
You did, though, in this thread, several times:

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
This included a period of over six months where I worked a minimum of 10 hours a day, didn't have a day off, and was not paid for most of this overtime.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. I worked very hard for my paycheck, and this includes many hundreds of hours at no pay for the 1980 Census.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
In 1981 I was working at one of the processing centers for the 1980 Census doing quality control work. I went at least six months working a minimum of 10 hours a day seven days a week (with no days off). I don't remember all the specifics, but I was at a high enough level that instead of getting paid overtime, we would earn comp time. That is for every extra hour I worked, I would be entitled to an extra hour of vacation sometime in the future. However, there was a cap on this of 80 hours, and in less than three weeks my cap was filled. Also, and my memory isn't perfect here, when I left my job at the end of 1981, I was not able to use all my comp time (as vacation).
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Yes. The insane 1980 Census work stopped me from using the comp time. By the way, if fully compensated for my comp time, I would have had at least 700 hours of it, only got credited for 80 hours of it, and can't remember using any.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I always put in extra hours. This includes going to American University at night to take a course in finite sampling theory. While Census paid for the course, I got no compensation for my time and effort except that I got a better understanding of how to design statistical surveys.
This is obviously a major gripe you have with your time working for the Census. If it wasn't, you wouldn't talk about it all the time.

Sounds like you should become a stronger supporter of labor rights - or, if not, stop acting so entitled about the way your employer treated you in an employment situation you agreed to as a consenting adult.
01-05-2019 , 07:08 PM
Unpaid overtime is bad when I do it, but when poor people complain about it they need to respect the free market lol
01-05-2019 , 08:06 PM
Yeah, this doesn't add up. I've never heard of a federal job that worked people 10 hours a day 7 days a week and I sorta doubt the census is on a production schedule such that it has to operate like a Dickensian factory line. What person with an advanced math/science degree is ever working a job like that? Even the guys I know who worked at Intel were't driven that hard.
01-05-2019 , 08:35 PM
He's lying.

Also enjoyed the part where he somehow complained about the government paying for him to go to school.
01-05-2019 , 08:38 PM
Wait, republicans lie?
01-05-2019 , 11:41 PM
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In 1981 I was working at one of the processing centers for the 1980 Census doing quality control work. I went at least six months working a minimum of 10 hours a day seven days a week (with no days off).
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I worked very hard for my paycheck, and this includes many hundreds of hours at no pay for the 1980 Census.


Those guys need a union.


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Last edited by Trolly McTrollson; 01-06-2019 at 12:00 AM.
01-05-2019 , 11:48 PM
Ya I took it for granted as a lie. What couldnt understand is why. Like he had to know ee wouldnt believe it.
01-05-2019 , 11:59 PM
You'd think federal employees would get federal holidays off, but no.
01-06-2019 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
You'd think federal employees would get federal holidays off, but no.
Is this really a thing? They don’t get federal holidays off?
01-06-2019 , 12:26 AM
No, dumbass. Mason is a liar.
01-06-2019 , 12:43 AM
Eh, I once went about 6 months as a prosecutor prepping for and then trying a particularly complex murder trial where i basically worked the hours Mason just described. Yeah, i technically worked 37.5 hours a week and had weekends and federal holidays off, but in actuality i was averaging about 10-12 hours a day 7 days a week. It’s possible to be in public service and work hours like that, especially if you’re an exempt employee and not in a union. As a side note, when you work like that, a weird side effect is that you lose all capacity to judge what day of the week it is without specifically looking at like your watch or calendar. I’d have to consciously look at a calendar to figure out if it was the weekend so I’d know I could not wear a suit that day.
01-06-2019 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Wanting to do something worthwhile was also one of my reasons for leaving.

Mason
Considering professional gambling, an occupation that provides no service to society, more worthwhile than census work is ****ed up.

Though you seem to be the kind of guy who thinks a job is only worthwhile if it puts more money into your bank account. Typical deplorable selfishness.
01-06-2019 , 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Considering professional gambling, an occupation that provides no service to society, more worthwhile than census work is ****ed up.

Though you seem to be the kind of guy who thinks a job is only worthwhile if it puts more money into your bank account. Typical deplorable selfishness.
Bob:

Your assumptions are way off, but thanks for the insult. After Census, I worked for Northrop for over five years and think very highly of Northrop/Grumman.

Mason
01-06-2019 , 02:59 AM
northrop/grumman is an arms dealer
01-06-2019 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Bob:

Your assumptions are way off, but thanks for the insult. After Census, I worked for Northrop for over five years and think very highly of Northrop/Grumman.

Mason
Working for the military industrial complex, Mason? I'm sure children in the Middle East would be proud of your contributions if they weren't too busy avoiding the bombs made by Northrop Grumman.

Anyway, it was a fair assumption given that you've spent numerous posts complaining about unpaid overtime hours while working at the Census Department rather than recognizing its positive contributions and necessity. It led me to believe that you prioritized salary over benefit to society.
01-06-2019 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
northrop/grumman is an arms dealer
I don’t think your comment is at all accurate. But if it makes you feel better, I did work on blowing up the Soviet Union.

MM
01-06-2019 , 03:11 AM
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Northrop Grumman Corporation is an American global aerospace and defense technology company formed by Northrop's 1994 purchase of Grumman. The company was the fifth-largest arms trader in the world in 2015.
you didn't blow up the soviet union tho, and it's a good thing that never happened

jfc
01-06-2019 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Working for the military industrial complex, Mason? I'm sure children in the Middle East would be proud of your contributions if they weren't too busy avoiding the bombs made by Northrop Grumman.

Anyway, it was a fair assumption given that you've spent numerous posts complaining about unpaid overtime hours while working at the Census Department rather than recognizing its positive contributions and necessity. It led me to believe that you prioritized salary over benefit to society.
Just to be a little more accurate, when I worked there it was just Northrop. Grumman was still a separate company.

Mason
01-06-2019 , 03:20 AM
also, from 1990

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-..._fraud-charges

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Northrop Corp. pleaded guilty to 34 criminal fraud charges Tuesday and agreed to pay the government $17 million, one of the largest fines ever assessed a defense contractor, to end a massive criminal case.

"This is a very significant victory in our efforts to combat defense contracting fraud and misconduct," said Assistant U.S. Atty. William F. Fahey, lead prosecutor in the case.
so now you're touting your time as an employee of a defense contractor who defrauded taxpayers out of millions (maybe billions)

their rap sheet re: fraud investigations is ridiculously long stretching to the present day lol
01-06-2019 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
you didn't blow up the soviet union tho, and it's a good thing that never happened

jfc
And I believe that I played a small part in helping to assure that war with the Soviet Union never happened.

Mason
01-06-2019 , 03:22 AM
i think you played a bigger part in defrauding taxpayers tbh, the soviet union didnt collapse because of anything NG did
01-06-2019 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
also

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-..._fraud-charges



so now you're touting your time as an employee of a defense contractor who defrauded taxpayers out of millions (maybe billions)

their rap sheet re: fraud investigations is ridiculously long lol
Amazing. I left Northrop in 1987. My comments only refer to when I was there. Also, my work all revolved around Reliability Engineering and Probability Theory.

Mason
01-06-2019 , 03:26 AM
what i'm saying is that perhaps NG isnt the bastion of good stewardship that you think it is

(and they were most definitely working on projects in 1987 that they were later accused of fraud for, read the article)

at least they paid you well tho amirite
01-06-2019 , 03:33 AM
but like maybe, just maybe your time publishing poker books and starting up an online poker forum was more worthwhile and harmed less people than anything you did at NG

it definitely helped me, so thanks
01-06-2019 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
(and they were most definitely working on projects in 1987 that they were later accused of fraud for, read the article)
Yep

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At the time of the indictments, Fahey said that the allegations were among the most serious of any defense case of its type because the weapons were nuclear-armed and because the allegedly fraudulent activity went on for 10 years.
LOL Mason, doesn't give a **** about workers' rights but feels super entitled about his overtime hours at the Census, then goes to the crown jewel of American capitalism: the private sector where oops turns out his employer was guilty of massive fraud

      
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