I've been around for even longer than you. And there are a variety of reasons why traffic declined in the strat forums. Black Friday obviously was one reason. But long before Black Friday, most HSNL players made a conscious decision to quit posting strategy. Also, a lot of people just got older and began to realize that playing poker for a living is a grind, especially after the overall level of online play became much stronger in the late 2000s. A lot of those people migrated to straight jobs and quit playing nearly so much poker.

Article 1 Sec. two calls for an enumeration. The word census is not used.

Only read the title but if you have to ask the answer is no

Happy New Year!!!

Bolded for sure.

Also computing came to be more important.

I think there is a conversation to be had about the appropriateness and intrusiveness of various surveys (that there is utility in these products is transparently obvious to anyone who isn't unconscious or disingenuous). On the upside, the microdata to Census products is generally under lock and key and the releases for the public data are at rather course levels of geography.

The same can't be said for some of the non-government surveys. For example, the Infogroup survey which somebody at 2+2 is apparently providing despite no legal requirements to do so. In their ReferenceUSA database they actually give the 2+2 address (32 Commerce Center Dr # H89 Henderson, NV) and coordinates (36.074185, -115.069108). They also provide your name (Mason Malmuth), gender (Male) and most curiously, your ethnicity (Scandinavian). Also, dozens of variables about your business that you are not required to publicly disclose like the number of employees (4), annual revenue (614,000), payroll (100,000-250,000), and credit rating (C+, lol). If you are so worried about privacy, it seems weird that you would spend your time coughing this info up every year since 2002.

Yikes, worse than I thought.

Don't you USA#1ians have an equivalent of companies house to see company filings?

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history

I believe those free business info sites are not very accurate and are more or less guesses, or at least outdated.

USA #1 should have the equivalent of companies house, but corporate law is all state law, not federal, and there's long been a race to the bottom in the US in terms of corporate disclosure and available information. Just pay Del or Nevada your yearly rate and you can have your very own BS shell corporation. You only get into federal trouble when you start lying on loans and such or go public. It's a joke that helps perpetuate the wealth of the wealthy and scammers, and particularly wealthy scammers.

Edit: it's ultimately harmful to society, but it allows people like Mason to feel "protected" from intrusive government.

I believe most of these companies are more concerned about being protected from frivolous lawsuits.

Well, if you're sued you actually have to cough up the relevant information, and the corporate form itself is the ultimate form of protection against personal liability (for noncriminal activities). Mainly, they want to make it more difficult to trace assets, whether from the government or creditors.

We've never provided any information to Infogroup and have no idea where they got their information much of which is not accurate.

Mason

All the data nerds like Scandinavias government stats because it's so well done, complete, and detailed. It also allows them to do cool thinks like adjusting their fines to the income of the offender.

There must be a mole in your organization.

The stuff I quoted yesterday came from the ReferenceUSA "verified" database, which means Infogroup assures that someone answers the phone every year and provided all that info (except for the credit rating which they admit is made up and I just included to be cheeky). Mason will be glad to know that (despite what Simpliticus thinks) they charge thousands of dollars for access, quite a little scam they have going on there.

Nonetheless, it is a pretty bad example on my part. We all know that we live in a world where our movements, activities, communications and even our ****ing DNA are constantly being tracked and recorded by a host of corporations as well as the national security infrastructure. But the Economic Census - that is the true intrusion on our liberty. Seems legit.

Don't know how I missed this post yesterday. It's real good.

elaborate please

also about that "unpaid overtime" you worked, i'm pretty sure you collected a salary for that. i love how this guy wants to whine about not being compensated fairly when one of the core tenets of his ideology is that government is bloated, wasteful, and that its employees are bilking the taxpayers for undeserved benefits.

lol you always want to have it both ways

One of the things I did when working on the Annual Housing Survey was to go out with interviewers to observe some interviews. Depending on how the questions were answered, this could take as long as two hours.

In 1981 I was working at one of the processing centers for the 1980 Census doing quality control work. I went at least six months working a minimum of 10 hours a day seven days a week (with no days off). I don't remember all the specifics, but I was at a high enough level that instead of getting paid overtime, we would earn comp time. That is for every extra hour I worked, I would be entitled to an extra hour of vacation sometime in the future. However, there was a cap on this of 80 hours, and in less than three weeks my cap was filled. Also, and my memory isn't perfect here, when I left my job at the end of 1981, I was not able to use all my comp time (as vacation).

As for salary, I of course was paid my salary, but at the end of 1981, when our Census work was finished, I chose not to return to my original position in Suitland MD but instead left the Census Bureau and began to look for another job. After six years I had enough of government work and wanted to do something worthwhile, and was unemployed for just over four months.

But thanks for the insult.

Mason

it's not an insult, it's an objective observation. you said that the surveying was intrusive to the point of making you uncomfortable, and i was curious about that. what kind of "interviews" were you ghosting? were the questions really personal? do you think your presence made the interviewee/applicant uncomfortable? these aren't loaded questions and i don't have any assumptions about the answers (nor do i have any "gotchas" planned), i'm genuinely curious and trying to learn more.

but it's a fact that your worldview revolves around a belief that the federal government is bloated, wasteful, inefficient, and it's funny to me to see you complain about having to work some extra overtime, as a government employee, for a few months. which you actually did get compensated for beyond just your salary. it's really pretty rich when you think about it.

was there anything that prevented you from taking your comp time? i worked a corporate job a long time ago and as long as you put in the request X amount of days before your time off, you were good to go. was there a different system there at your govt job for approving days off/vacation? that would surprise me- i have some relatives who work for the government and there are all kinds of regulations regarding the withholding of compensation.

Didnt obama admin work hard to put in place guaranteed overtime pay? And at time and half?

And wasnt one of the first things the trump admin and repub senate eliminate?

Of course it's an insult. Also, I was not part of the interviewing staff and only went out for occasional observation, sat quietly, and had no affect on the interview. But I did attend meetings inside the Census Bureau and with HUD representatives where much of the discussion was about how intrusive survey questio0ns should be. The concern was that the more intrusive the questions the higher the future non-response rate should be (which was something I was working on). But this was balanced by the idea that the data collected would be more accurate.

No. Even though I did earn comp time, I don't remember using any of it. I left my job at the end of 1981 and the insane work hours finally slowed down at the end of 1981.

Yes. The insane 1980 Census work stopped me from using the comp time. By the way, if fully compensated for my comp time, I would have had at least 700 hours of it, only got credited for 80 hours of it, and can't remember using any.

MM

You do realize that exempt employees routinely work 50+ hours a week with no comp time ever?

I always put in extra hours. This includes going to American University at night to take a course in finite sampling theory. While Census paid for the course, I got no compensation for my time and effort except that I got a better understanding of how to design statistical surveys.

On the other hand, start a business like I did, risk everything, and see how many hours you work.

MM

Ya, I get that. It's all your crying about working "unpaid" hours that has me confused.

Mason,

If you want to cry about an employer working you for more than 40 hours a week and not being compensated extra for your time, I suggest you consider joining the party that actually cares about labor rights. Spoiler alert: it's not the one you shill for on this forum!

Best wishes,
goofyballer

I didn’t cry about it, I quit. But the chaos of the 1980 Census work was only part of the reason I left Census. Wanting to do something worthwhile was also one of my reasons for leaving.

Mason

Republicans are generally stupid and gullible which is why they constantly vote against their own self-interest. They are simply too weak-minded to know they are doing so.