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December LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition** December LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**
View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of December?
Matthew Whitaker
10 21.74%
John Kelly
6 13.04%
Kjrstyn Njielessen
8 17.39%
James Mattis
1 2.17%
Ryan Zinke
0 0%
Donald Trump Jr
8 17.39%
Roger Stone
4 8.70%
Ivanka Trump
1 2.17%
Rod Rosenstein
6 13.04%
Write-in
2 4.35%

12-10-2018 , 01:41 AM
A Latino pool boy? Really? That's just lazy writing.
12-10-2018 , 02:03 AM
Named Giancarlo no less.
12-10-2018 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Clicking through, it kinda sounds like the result of this is simply that the drivers are left out in the cold?

Like, if their claims against Uber have to be settled by arbitration and Uber is, by and large, not paying the arbitrators to start the process:



...then the drivers are basically in a state of limbo and not getting what they want, right?

Is this actually Uber's policy biting them in the ass, or is it a bug-as-a-feature in their process that means dragging out claim against them forever?
Not that hard to get a default judgment in an unopposed arbitration. Assuming the arbitration demand and service are properly done and there is a semi-viable claim, I don't see why the filer would not prevail. The arbitrator's judgment can then be confirmed by a court with VERY few exceptions.
12-10-2018 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
i think the ultimate strategy is to force a court to declare that uber isn't complying with their own TOS, and then maybe try and invalidate the forced arbitration that way for the 750k drivers across the country.

ultimately though i think it doesnt do much.
It doesn't work like that that. Uber can do new contracts with no arbitration provision (setting them up for workplace class actions), but that would not render the old contracts invalid or eliminate their arbitration requirement for claims arising under the old contract.

For any claim filed in arbitration, Uber can move that it should be before a court (e.g., because the arbitration clause is invalid or the claim does not arise under it). But if they drafted the clause they would lose the vast majority of such motions and the ones they did not lose would not invalidate the clause. (Unless the basis on which they 'won' is affirmed by a state or regional appeals court. But that's a big stretch.)

Last edited by simplicitus; 12-10-2018 at 03:09 AM.
12-10-2018 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Plea bargaining is theoretically ridiculous because your punishment should not be significantly based on whether you are willing to make things easier for prosecutors. I was just playing fly's advocate. If I remembered his argument correctly he was willing to accept that unfairness for the sake of his poor clients.
The theory behind it isn’t that it makes prosecutor’s lives easier, it’s that it shows the criminal has accepted responsibility for his/her crime.
12-10-2018 , 10:41 AM
The real theory is STFU and plead guilty colored person because holy **** this system would grind to a halt if you people actually asserted your rights.
12-10-2018 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
The real theory is STFU and plead guilty colored person because holy **** this system would grind to a halt if you people actually asserted your rights.


Serial season 3 is all about this phenomenon. Highly recommended
12-10-2018 , 10:52 AM
Yeah I've often wondered what would happen if every person facing charges in the US just decided to plea not guilty. No way the courts could accommodate them. I guess that's why prosecutors over charge to force the prisoner's dilemma.
12-10-2018 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jman220

The theory behind it isn’t that it makes prosecutor’s lives easier, it’s that it shows the criminal has accepted responsibility for his/her crime.
Lol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
12-10-2018 , 11:11 AM
So AlphaZero is a beast and I look forward to it ruling over all humans.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6419/1140
12-10-2018 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
So AlphaZero is a beast and I look forward to it ruling over all humans.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6419/1140
The only way it will find enough data to "learn" about humans is from social media. We are ****ed.
12-10-2018 , 11:23 AM
Meh

It will learn from history books and art/literature that humans sometimes have very dark inner thoughts that generally remained private until social media was invented, and understand that's not the "real" social us.
12-10-2018 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Meh

It will learn from history books and art/literature that humans sometimes have very dark inner thoughts that generally remained private until social media was invented, and understand that's not the "real" social us.
Previous AIs turned into misanthropic racists. One of these will kill us all.
12-10-2018 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
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The suit, which has not been previously reported, was brought by a father and son who claim that after they helped conceive of the business, the pool attendant and Falwell wrongly cut them out of it. The suit says that while Falwell Jr. and his wife were guests at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach in 2012, they developed a “friendly relationship” with the pool attendant, Giancarlo Granda; flew Granda in a private jet; and eventually backed him in a business venture, setting up a hostel that offers low-cost dorm-style nightly accommodations to visitors. The pool attendant, according to public records databases, was 21 when he met the Falwells.
Yea that's setting all the alarm bells off for some freaky sh*t goin' on.
12-10-2018 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Yeah I've often wondered what would happen if every person facing charges in the US just decided to plea not guilty. No way the courts could accommodate them. I guess that's why prosecutors over charge to force the prisoner's dilemma.
Wonder no more. This strategy has spectacularly worked multiple times over the last ~120 years.

We in the IWW used a "jam the jails" strategy during our free speech fights of the 1910s. During the civil rights fights of the 1960s several groups, notably including the Freedom Riders, again "jammed the jails". Over 600 arrestees at the 1999 Seattle WTO protests used "jail solidarity". They each asserted their rights to a speedy and individual trial by jury. The the relevant courts had something like ~30 of these kinda trials over the course of the previous year... now they were looking at ~600 in a month. Instead, all these ~600 defendants collectively bargained to have all charges dropped. Also... there have been contemporary calls to action for those facing the immigration courts, and are able to do so, to insist on every one of their due process hearings. If it reached critical mass, this would completely bring that system to a stand still.
12-10-2018 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Previous AIs turned into misanthropic racists. One of these will kill us all.
Yes it did. Although I'm a developer I don't know much about AI, but presumably this was just primitive/badly written AI?

If AI is going to kill us all, which is quite possible, I'd guess it's more likely to come about as a result of seeing us as expendable and unproductive, unintelligent biological units ripe for harvesting for some other purpose.
12-10-2018 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Yes it did. Although I'm a developer I don't know much about AI, but presumably this was just primitive/badly written AI?

If AI is going to kill us all, which is quite possible, I'd guess it's more likely to come about as a result of seeing us as expendable and unproductive, unintelligent biological units ripe for harvesting for some other purpose.
AI learns from data.
The data reflects the fact of racism
Hence the AI suffers from systemic racism even though it's not racist
12-10-2018 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Yes it did. Although I'm a developer I don't know much about AI, but presumably this was just primitive/badly written AI?

If AI is going to kill us all, which is quite possible, I'd guess it's more likely to come about as a result of seeing us as expendable and unproductive, unintelligent biological units ripe for harvesting for some other purpose.
IIRC this was a chatbot that got trolled by 4chan and now just says racial slurs. I think you can still find it online.
12-10-2018 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
IIRC this was a chatbot that got trolled by 4chan and now just says racial slurs. I think you can still find it online.
I was under the impression it just went through twitter and became racist organically by trying to mimic what it found. I don't remember a trolling angle, that would be somewhat comforting.
12-10-2018 , 01:35 PM
In 20 years people trolling at 4chan are going to use some off the shelf AI software to make 3D printers print biological weapons. Can the nanobots save us?
12-10-2018 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
AI learns from data.
The data reflects the fact of racism
Hence the AI suffers from systemic racism even though it's not racist
So, bad AI that for whatever reason assumed a greater prevalence of racism than is actually the case.

Sure, if you only look at twitter, 4chan and stormfront you'll get a highly racist, destructive bot, but several thousand years of human literature puts 20 years of online "literature" in some perspective.
12-10-2018 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
In 20 years people trolling at 4chan are going to use some off the shelf AI software to make 3D printers print biological weapons. Can the nanobots save us?
In 20 years hopefully (though also sadly) online anonymity will be a thing of the past and 4chan scum will be arrested if they do that.
12-10-2018 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
So, bad AI that for whatever reason assumed a greater prevalence of racism than is actually the case.
Not sure what you mean but a well written AI could learn an amount of racism that is exactly the case.

It's going to be a far more advanced AI that can learn the concept of racism and adjust for it in the data. By then our concern might be it being organicist
12-10-2018 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
In 20 years hopefully (though also sadly) online anonymity will be a thing of the past and 4chan scum will be arrested if they do that.
That would be just awesome if the police have the authority power and discretion to decide who to arrest based on what they post online.
12-10-2018 , 02:03 PM
If the AI pessimists are wrong, we delay some incremental progress out of an overabundance of caution.

If the AI optimists are wrong, it's the end of humanity.

      
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