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Old 11-09-2016, 09:28 PM   #1
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Dear Black Lives Matter Supporters and Black People in General.

I have posted on these forums for 11 years. I mostly come in to the politics forum to post when there is a thread about racism in law enforcement, or the criminal justice system. I come in to post and defend my law enforcement brethren. When posters like Fly responded to police killings of unarmed black men by decrying a racist system and stating an appropriate response was to "burn it all down" I vociferously argued for the system. I claimed that there was no systemic racism in the system, or in law enforcement, that we were living in a post-racial society, and that what I saw as isolated incidents involving in my mind anomalous law enforcement officers (or other situations that I thought were justified) in no way evidenced a massive racist slant in the system that I have worked in for over a decade.

I was wrong. Fly and posters like him were right. The black lives matter movement is right. These past few months culminating in last night proved that. I watched as my co-workers supported and voted for a man campaigning on "law and order" who dog whistled to white supremacists and the kkk, quoted from the protocols of the elders of zion, denigrated an entire ethnicity, and bragged about sexual assault. I watched as people who I know and respect and have worked with for years celebrated with glee at his election today. I am sorry.

There are dark days ahead; especially if your skin color is darker than mine.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:05 PM   #2
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Re: Dear Black Lives Matter Supporters and Black People in General.

So the election of trump proves there is systemic racism in law enforcement and we should burn it all down?
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:15 PM   #3
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Didn't take long for someone to shine the fly signal
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:18 PM   #4
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So the election of trump proves there is systemic racism in law enforcement and we should burn it all down?
The election of Trump made me realize that there was systemic racism in our country as well as my profession, whether the election is what proves it as opposed to everything else that has happenned in recent history, I'll leave that to others. Yes, it needs to be changed, or **** it, burn it down and start over.
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Old 11-10-2016, 12:20 AM   #5
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Posting is one thing. Now let's turn these words into action.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:07 AM   #6
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So the election of trump proves there is systemic racism in law enforcement and we should burn it all down?
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The election of Trump made me realize that there was systemic racism in our country as well as my profession, whether the election is what proves it as opposed to everything else that has happenned in recent history, I'll leave that to others. Yes, it needs to be changed, or **** it, burn it down and start over.

It's not so much trump winning, but his following. HRC's biggest poll lead (+12?) was still a sign of something very wrong. If the concept of america ever meant anything then all people should've rejected should've rejected his message. All the stuff Obama stumped about so hard, it's now officially bull****.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:11 AM   #7
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http://media.philly.com/images/445*3...sfWEAEVXN4.jpg

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Old 11-10-2016, 05:43 AM   #8
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You're saying that you must vote for the corrupt career politician in order to not be a racist. nonsense

Most Trump voters simply voted for the lesser of two evils
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Old 11-10-2016, 05:58 AM   #9
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You're saying that you must vote for the corrupt career politician in order to not be a racist. nonsense

Most Trump voters simply voted for the lesser of two evils
They could vote for a guy that wants to build a wall to keep out minorities, wants to stop immigration for all members of a certain religion and tweets images from white supremacist websites. Or they could vote for someone who did no such things.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:19 AM   #10
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They could vote for a guy that wants to build a wall to keep out minorities, wants to stop immigration for all members of a certain religion and tweets images from white supremacist websites. Or they could vote for someone who did no such things.
Sorry to go off topic but do you honestly think Trump is going to build a wall? The Ironic thing about all this pandemonium is that the people that voted for him are going to be the ones that are going to be most disappointed after 4 years.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:24 AM   #11
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you're dramatizing - nothing bad will happen to "dark" people because of trump

but there is stuff that is actually worrisome (global warming and economy namely, potentionally some wars also though i don't think the latter is particularly likely)
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:33 AM   #12
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Sorry to go off topic but do you honestly think Trump is going to build a wall? The Ironic thing about all this pandemonium is that the people that voted for him are going to be the ones that are going to be most disappointed after 4 years.
The fact that he said it should invalidate him as a candidate for people that care about equality, independent of whether you think he's gonna do it or not.

However there do seem to be a number of TRUMP voters that think he isn't gonna do any of the bad things he said and is actually gonna be a good president, but I do not understand on what that is based.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:35 AM   #13
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but there is stuff that is actually worrisome (global warming and economy namely, potentionally some wars also though i don't think the latter is particularly likely)
we should be happy that there will be no war with Russia, we dodged that bullet
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:39 AM   #14
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The fact that he said it should invalidate him as a candidate for people that care about equality, independent of whether you think he's gonna do it or not.
And Hillary's super predator comment should invalidate her as a candidate for people that care about equality


so we can't vote for either

or we pick the lesser evil
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:44 AM   #15
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The fact that he said it should invalidate him as a candidate for people that care about equality
because of statements like that terms like "equality" have lost all meaning

protecting your borders from illegal immigrantion has nothing to do with "equality" as we normally understand the term

all countries have laws and means to prevent people from entering illegally and all countries have laws and means to deal with people who managed to entered illegally

u.s. seems to me to be very liberal and forgiving when it comes to allowing people who entered illegally to stay, but it has nothing to do with "equality"

there can be debates about various aspects of immigrant laws, what is the best ways to enforce it, should you enforce it, is building a wall retarded idea etc., but for god's sake, people, stop with your pavlovian reflex to immediatelly yell "racism!" at everything that has an outcome that is against the interests of specific group of non-white people
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:50 AM   #16
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Yeah must be racism when people disagree with progressive fascists.
I do wonder however why so many blacks support Trump?
Blacks are worse off then 4 years ago, meaning more are getting benefits which makes it hard for them to vote republican and yet Trump is getting more black vote then Romney, go figure, must be those self hating blacks, right.
Or maybe just maybe blacks realized it is democrats and BLM who are the racists here, rejected it all and took up Trump on what do you have to lose offer.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:50 AM   #17
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Re: Dear Black Lives Matter Supporters and Black People in General.

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And Hillary's super predator comment should invalidate her as a candidate for people that care about equality


so we can't vote for either

or we pick the lesser evil
There's still a difference between saying something a long time age and admitting you regret on one hand and constantly repeating it and making it one of your official campaign points on the other hand
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:54 AM   #18
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because of statements like that terms like "equality" have lost all meaning

protecting your borders from illegal immigrantion has nothing to do with "equality" as we normally understand the term

all countries have laws and means to prevent people from entering illegally and all countries have laws and means to deal with people who managed to entered illegally

u.s. seems to me to be very liberal and forgiving when it comes to allowing people who entered illegally to stay, but it has nothing to do with "equality"

there can be debates about various aspects of immigrant laws, what is the best ways to enforce it, should you enforce it, is building a wall retarded idea etc., but for god's sake, people, stop with your pavlovian reflex to immediatelly yell "racism!" at everything that has an outcome that is against the interests of specific group of non-white people
i mean, i am an intelligent, college educated, european white male without any crime history and i surely can't get an u.s. working visa let alone green card because i don't have specific skills that would qualify me
i can only enter as a tourist for i think max 3 months
so what?
is it my birth right to enter u.s.a. and get citizenship or what?
is u.s. european-fobic because they won't allow me to stay and would likely deport me if they catch me overstay
is there some big injustice going on?
sometimes i don't it get how some, to me, totally benign stuff develops into some huge injustice in heads of some people
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:08 AM   #19
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Trump is married to an immigrant

quoted below from Melania's Wikipedia article:

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She, through her lawyer Michael Wildes, has indicated that she first entered the United States on a business visitor visa in August 1996. She obtained an H-1B visa in October 1996. After that, she regularly returned to Slovenia to obtain a series of four more one-year work visas because, at the time, one-year visas were all that were permitted under the U.S. agreement with Slovenia. She obtained a green card and became a lawful permanent resident in 2001, applying as a model of “extraordinary ability”. She obtained U.S. citizenship in 2006, the year after her marriage.[17][18][19]
In November 2016 the Associated Press reported that Trump was paid $20,056 for 10 modeling jobs in the United States in 1996 before she had legal permission to work in the country. According to Wildes, the documents on which AP relied "have not been verified, [and] do not reflect our records including corresponding passport stamps.”[20][21]
Bill Clinton was president when she was going back and forth getting work visas
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:09 AM   #20
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trump is married to an immigrant -> ____________?
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:18 AM   #21
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Re: Dear Black Lives Matter Supporters and Black People in General.

I guess I should have screamed racism when BET first aired. Or maybe when Obama was first elected and droves of Black people hit the polls to cast their votes for a black POTUS.

Nope. I understand why it was done. We are all human, but have differing cultures and heritage. If we let those differences destroy us, rather than embrace them as diversity, then we fail as a nation-- not as white or black people of America.

Both candidates had flaws. I choose to go with one that hasn't yet been in Government because the other choice had her chance to make a difference for the past 20yrs (albeit as 8+ of those years were as the First Lady thus not appointed nor elected) and failed. She also lied to US citizens multiple occasions, hell she even cheated in the primary just to get a crack at it (I would've voted for Bernie).

Anyways, let's give Donald a chance to see if he can make a difference... But still hold those elected officials accountable to serving ALL U.S. citizens.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:20 AM   #22
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He understands how following the laws on immigration procedure is part of the normal flow of life, and a country has a right to enforce those laws as we did back in Bill Clinton's time.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:20 AM   #23
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So you are a white liberal who is writing an open letter to black people apologizing for white America's racism.

This is the kind of condescending bull**** that makes white people want to vote someone like Trump and black people not vote at all.
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:29 AM   #24
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Yeah must be racism when people disagree with progressive fascists.
I do wonder however why so many blacks support Trump?
Blacks are worse off then 4 years ago, meaning more are getting benefits which makes it hard for them to vote republican and yet Trump is getting more black vote then Romney, go figure, must be those self hating blacks, right.
Or maybe just maybe blacks realized it is democrats and BLM who are the racists here, rejected it all and took up Trump on what do you have to lose offer.
Romney won 6% of the black vote, against a black candidate; Romney's church was officially racist against blacks until 1978.

Trump won 8% of the black vote
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Old 11-10-2016, 07:30 AM   #25
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i mean, i am an intelligent, college educated, european white male without any crime history and i surely can't get an u.s. working visa let alone green card because i don't have specific skills that would qualify me
i can only enter as a tourist for i think max 3 months
so what?
is it my birth right to enter u.s.a. and get citizenship or what?
is u.s. european-fobic because they won't allow me to stay and would likely deport me if they catch me overstay
is there some big injustice going on?
sometimes i don't it get how some, to me, totally benign stuff develops into some huge injustice in heads of some people
I currently live in EU as a US citizen, but until I was protected under the SOFA agreement between US & EU I was subject to the Schengen Agreement (authorizes 3 months as a tourist).

I could not apply for a residence stamp in my passport without several factors (income, accommodation, etc).

As I travel about Europe and to the east, several countries make you apply for visa approval in advance to even visiting their countries and will deny access if this isn't accomplished.

So back to the topic at hand, does US need stricter immigration laws and to diligently process current illegals? Yes!

Still using Europe as the current model for illegal immigration, look at the increase of crime, terror threats, and homelessness due to many EU countries not prepared for the asylum seekers from Syria, Iran, and Northern Africa. They can barely handle it and the working tax payers are having to pay this additional expense due to the lack of preparation.

Let's see what this administration can do... Give them a chance to make a difference. Monitor them! No one takes on an assignment and says "let's see how I can f'k this up"
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