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06-08-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
I guess John McCain has Alzheimer's or something? Was he always that stupid? I assume not.
He could not hold in his mind what the actual subject of discussion was, he could not understand the distinction between a completed investigation of one matter and an uncompleted investigation of another, merely recurring to some half-remembered obsession of his own, and he was unable to remember the name of the President of the United States, repeatedly calling the president by the name of the person he was addressing.

He's got quite serious brain degeneration.
06-08-2017 , 01:33 PM
McCain is my senator. He's never been entirely coherent imo but I wouldn't have said it was because he was impaired. It was immediately apparent today, something's wrong. I disagree with most of his policy and a lot of what he says but I always thought he was a good guy.
06-08-2017 , 01:35 PM
Seems obvious they're either going to fire Mueller whenever he starts figuring it all out or just totally ignore/refute whatever he comes up with.
06-08-2017 , 01:35 PM
They're not RNC talking points, they're Trump talking points. His only concern seems to be the fact that he was not personally under investigation. As if that makes everything else okay.
06-08-2017 , 01:36 PM
The only surprising thing about all this is that Trump had the gumption to ask Pence and Sessions to leave the room before trying to lean on Comey.
06-08-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
The only surprising thing about all this is that Trump had the gumption to ask Pence and Sessions to leave the room before trying to lean on Comey.
Maybe someone had just told him that LBJ story about how he'd follow people into the bathroom and stand behind them while they pissed.
06-08-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
President trump nearly under 30% approval, rara sure he'll be reelected. lol
It's as accurate as people predicting he gets impeached.
06-08-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
McCain is my senator. He's never been entirely coherent imo but I wouldn't have said it was because he was impaired. It was immediately apparent today, something's wrong. I disagree with most of his policy and a lot of what he says but I always thought he was a good guy.
Maybe something was wrong today or maybe it was pure partisanship and trying to get an angle to feed the idiots. None of them refuted what Comey said, they all just tried to find other angles to possibly change the interpretation of what Comey said so that it doesn't look as bad.

TBH I have fallen for McCain's shtick where he says something and you are just so desperate for that ONE person in the Republican party that isn't a hack and you desperately want to believe it and yet his actions betray him every time.
06-08-2017 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by raradevils
It's as accurate as people predicting he gets impeached.
So you're saying you believe your own predictions to be inaccurate?
06-08-2017 , 01:54 PM
just an admission that he's trolling
06-08-2017 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I'm more curious about the political impact of Mueller publicly stating that he believes Trump obstructed justice, and if such a statement is something that could plausibly occur, rather than the legal impact. Sure, Trump can dismiss the US attorney but I would imagine that's a lot harder for GOP congresspeople to hand-wave away than Comey's statement that he believes he was fired because of the Russia investigation but can't go further than that.
For all we know, Mueller shares Dershowitz's view that the President cannot legally be guilty of obstruction of justice because he has the power to pardon whoever he damn well pleases.

And even if he doesn't share Dershowitz's view on the point, my guess is that he will conclude that Trump violated important norms but that his conduct didn't rise to the level of legal liability for obstruction.
06-08-2017 , 01:59 PM
My attempt to decipher McCain's point is this - you closed the case on Clinton and said nothing was wrong, but this case is still open and you haven't said nothing is wrong. Why? That is a double standard.
06-08-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
The only surprising thing about all this is that Trump had the gumption to ask Pence and Sessions to leave the room before trying to lean on Comey.
The fun part about this is it's evidence of consciousness of guilt.
06-08-2017 , 02:03 PM
McCain's point was the Russians interfered in the election- the election had two candidates Hillary and Trump. Why is Trump's election campaign considered to be under investigation while Hillary's is not when they were both a part of what was a crime (Russian hacking)

It's serious reaching and Comey had already said that Trump wasn't under investigation at that point
06-08-2017 , 02:08 PM
does anyone have cliffs of the hearing? Is it a nothing burger?
06-08-2017 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
McCain's point was the Russians interfered in the election- the election had two candidates Hillary and Trump. Why is Trump's election campaign considered to be under investigation while Hillary's is not when they were both a part of what was a crime (Russian hacking)

It's serious reaching and Comey had already said that Trump wasn't under investigation at that point
Comey has previously said that the Russians' aim was 'to hurt her [Clinton] and help him [Trump].'

Senator McCain clearly has no idea what is going on and is at the point of wandering the streets of an evening asking random passers-by, 'Excuse me, do you know where I live?'
06-08-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
So you're saying you believe your own predictions to be inaccurate?
He has a better chance of getting re-elected than he does of being impeached.
06-08-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BABARtheELEPHANT
Is it a nothing burger?
No
06-08-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BABARtheELEPHANT
does anyone have cliffs of the hearing? Is it a nothing burger?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN18Z0HC
06-08-2017 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Im glad Toobin on CNN made the point that the Comey memos effectively amounts to sounding the alarm about Trump, which counters one defense point.

I can't imagine an indictment against the President would last long when he can fire the US Attorney bringing the indictment. Thus the functional answer is no.
It seems like there's a real legal question about whether the president can even "obstruct" federal law enforcement. It's his constitutional job to run the executive branch. The point is that it's obviously improper for the president to foil FBI investigations into the crimes of his cronies, and a president who does that should be immediately removed from office. Asking for the personal loyalty of the FBI is also impeachable territory. The Mueller investigation is useful for indictments against people other than Trump and statements that are politically harmful to Trump and his defenders.
06-08-2017 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
McCain's point was the Russians interfered in the election- the election had two candidates Hillary and Trump. Why is Trump's election campaign considered to be under investigation while Hillary's is not when they were both a part of what was a crime (Russian hacking)

It's serious reaching and Comey had already said that Trump wasn't under investigation at that point
Right, we shouldn't really be treating McCain's questioning as incoherent rambling when its clear he's cowered into doing Trump's bidding in plain sight.
06-08-2017 , 02:35 PM
Do these committees plan out their questions together? I can imagine some of these people having a list of questions only for them to be covered by politicians that went before them. Then they have to bull**** to fill time.
06-08-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
It seems like there's a real legal question about whether the president can even "obstruct" federal law enforcement. It's his constitutional job to run the executive branch. The point is that it's obviously improper for the president to foil FBI investigations into the crimes of his cronies, and a president who does that should be immediately removed from office.
I think Mr Comey suggested that it's within the letter of the law for the president to ask members of the executive -- such as the attorney-general or the FBI director -- to investigate or not investigate something, but that it goes against custom.

The problem that Trump presents for the United States is that much of what Americans take to be constitutional is merely customary, and whereas in Britain it's understood that the executive can't breach custom (that being the nature of an 'unwritten constitution', although in fact it is written, it's just not all written in the same place, it's everywhere in our statutes and legal precedents and legal commentaries), in the US a sufficiently ruthless person can drive a coach and horses through what were taken to be established norms.
06-08-2017 , 02:37 PM
Ahh yes.. the public cloud is now removed
06-08-2017 , 02:41 PM
So Trump's lawyer says Comey needs to be investigated for leaks and Trump is clear.

      
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