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05-12-2017 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
But a very slight variant of that mentality is behind all of Trump's GOP institutional support. They are so concerned that tearing down Trump might buoy the left that they're colluding with him. Hence why none of this stops. Put simply, that mentality has to be crushed to make colluding with Trump worse than the fear about the backlash giving excessive power to leftists.

Your rooting interests aren't that complicated at all and with a very slight modification are almost EXACTLY the same gambit the institutional GOPe are engaged in. It's hopeless because the calculation never changes and colluding with Trump remains the perpetual second best option.
If the players can be just anti-anti-Trump enough...

https://newrepublic.com/article/1426...ervative-media



https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/863057652435124224
05-12-2017 , 02:58 PM
Also wait... y'all think SE is conservative/trump leaning?
05-12-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Also wait... y'all think SE is conservative/trump leaning?
no, just like the real world it's a minority of loud idiots that sometimes make it seem that way
05-12-2017 , 03:30 PM
It's possible Comey was fired for being critical, but it is perhaps also true Comey was fired for following an investigation that leads to no where as if there really was some Trump-Russia connection kind've smoking gun it would've been found by now.
05-12-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
It's possible Comey was fired for being critical, but it is perhaps also true Comey was fired for following an investigation that leads to no where as if there really was some Trump-Russia connection kind've smoking gun it would've been found by now.
comey was requesting daily briefings on the russia investigation, up from what used to be weekly, in the weeks before he was fired.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/u...-fbi.html?_r=0

Last edited by ScreaminAsian; 05-12-2017 at 03:42 PM.
05-12-2017 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
It's possible Comey was fired for being critical, but it is perhaps also true Comey was fired for following an investigation that leads to no where as if there really was some Trump-Russia connection kind've smoking gun it would've been found by now.
Ponnuru is a terrible hack, but he nailed this article yesterday. Even if there is nothing there. And Comey knew that and was grandstanding, Trump has to let him keep going with it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...and-very-wrong
05-12-2017 , 04:04 PM
welp

05-12-2017 , 04:09 PM
"The reason Comey was fired" doesn't exist, and probably doesn't matter. Here's why:

There's are many reasons Comey was fired. We know it's Russia. Even Trump says it's Russia LOL. But this is one case where supporters don't believe him. They still deny it, claiming Clinton or Comey sucks or whatever. What Trumpets don't seem to understand is that it's hugely problematic even if Russia was 0.01% of the decision. GOP Republicans are smarter than that and do realize it. Some did care enough to make half-assed statements. Fewer actually cared more than that. But most are hiding. We'll find out more when GOP gets back.

Post feels kinda rambly, so I'll just close off by saying that there WAS an effect on supporters, according to TV today. They said Trump's approval rating went from 40% to 36% after the firing, a good portion of which we're Republicans. EDIT: Does anyone have this graph? I think it was a Q poll, through May 9th.
05-12-2017 , 04:18 PM
I'm not going to judge the effect until we have multiple polls and over a longer time period. It's especially hard to have solid polling data on something that happened this week.
05-12-2017 , 04:36 PM
Shuffle doesn't know what the term neoliberal means itt
05-12-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
welp

why the hell wouldn't he testify?
05-12-2017 , 04:39 PM
Related to the posts earlier today between einbert, bobman, suzzer and I.

#NotAllVoxIsBad, and this is pretty OK but more important relevant since einbert and I were talking about the feedback loop in which liberals get upset at what Trump does, which causes the right to get further dragooned into Trumpism since no one wants to get caught kowtowing to liberal outrage.

One other facet to that, or a very related phenomenon, is how with every Trump **** up, he simply ratchets up the tribal politics and brings the rest of the GOP and its entertainment complex along for the ride:

https://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2017/5...itics-strategy

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It is striking President Trump picked Thursday, May 11, to 1) sign an executive order establishing a commission to investigate voter fraud; and 2) have Attorney General Jeff Sessions announce that federal prosecutors will seek maximalist penalties for criminal prosecutions.

Future historians may note that these actions came just two days after Trump’s sudden and unexpected firing of FBI Director James Comey, which in turn came just days after Comey had requested more resources to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, provoking a firestorm of criticism in Washington and in the press.

The gambit should be obvious. Every time it looks like the walls are starting to close in on Trump, he plays the tribal politics card. He reminds his supporters of the stakes for the fight over national identity, and gives our us-against-them lizard brains a new charge.

Remember how back in late March, after the health care repeal effort had fallen apart, the Trump administration whipped out an announcement on “sanctuary cities.” Sessions told reporters that if cities failed to cooperate with federal law enforcement authorities to deport illegal immigrants, the federal government would withhold funding.

Now, in the wake of the Comey fiasco, the Trump administration is again rushing to prime the tribalism pump by reminding supporters about the dark, racialized threat of voter fraud. Here’s the subtext: Comey who? A mere distraction. Don’t forget: Illegal immigrants are going to take over our country through MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD.
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Trump will continue to be embattled. Questions about Russian interference ain’t going anywhere. Trump is impulsive and incautious. He will continue to fire people, pick intemperate fights, say stupid things that get him in trouble. That’s who he is.

And each time he gets stuck, he’s got one card to play: the tribal politics card. Remind his supporters whose side he’s on, and what the real stakes are.

And so far, it’s worked. In a politics with only two parties and therefore two sides, you’ve got to pick one.

And each time Trump does this, he continues to redefine what it means to be a Republican. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell come along. The conservative media comes along. And the slide continues just a little more.

Impeachment is a political decision that can only happen when Republicans in Congress decide it’s politically advantageous for them. Which will only happen when Trump’s supporters abandon him and his popularity plummets. Which will only happen when they no longer think Trump is on their side, fighting for them. Which is why he will keep dialing up the identity politics.

The more embattled Trump gets, the harder his administration will play identity politics. Because that’s all they’ll have. And the deeper we’ll slide into tribal politics. It’s hard to see how this gets better before it gets even worse.
The core problem for the GOPe and the Senate's Pretend Heros of the Republic who are thoughtfully Deeply Troubled by all of Trump's trangressions before either doing nothing or tacitly supporting it remains that GOP voters largely see their side through white identity politics and NOT through tax cuts and deregulation. So *they* -- the base, the rank-and-file -- they are not going to accept the GOPe type solutions where Trump is removed and they get what for them are entirely Pyrrhic legislative victories. They don't want tax cuts. They want ****ing blood.

We can either wait for the GOPe to cut themselves free from the feedback loop and do the right thing; something that just looks more unlikely with each passing day.

Or we can simply start punishing them and threatening them specifically for *their* transgressions acquiescing to this.

Last edited by DVaut1; 05-12-2017 at 04:48 PM.
05-12-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
why the hell wouldn't he testify?
Maybe he's just gonna drop the piss tape next week.

While saying: "Tapes? You want tapes? There you go, Donnie."
05-12-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
why the hell wouldn't he testify?
For the same reason the FBI doesn't tell you what evidence they have against you before they interrogate you. Comey is a prosecutor and is likely more focus on scoring prosecution points than political points. Also, any beans he spills could potentially compromise an ongoing investigation.
05-12-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 425kid
Ponnuru is a terrible hack, but he nailed this article yesterday. Even if there is nothing there. And Comey knew that and was grandstanding, Trump has to let him keep going with it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...and-very-wrong
Basically agree 100%. Good article.
05-12-2017 , 05:54 PM
Tweet from Grover Norquist:

"JAMES COMEY....
Pays entirely too much in taxes.
it is time to move on to tax reform/reduction."
05-13-2017 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
While we're on the subject there is a band called Rockbitch - a bunch of fairly hot chicks who basically **** each other on stage and seemed to draw pretty big crowds (shocking). One video out there has one girl pissing into the other's mouth, which of course she then sprays all over the crowd. I will leave you to googling.
I have been to a couple/few of their shows and can confirm a lot of explicit shenanigans going on. I remembered that they stopped touring because they were constantly in legal trouble. According to Wikipedia they haven't been active since 2002 though and I wonder how hot they still are today considering the band was originally formed in 1984.
05-13-2017 , 02:02 AM
Yeah I don't think I want to go to the big Rockbitch reunion tour. :O

Need stories about their shows though. Did you get pee sprayed on you?
05-13-2017 , 02:03 AM
I picture the golden girls delivering golden showers on stage as a reunion tour.
05-13-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Shuffle doesn't know what the term neoliberal means itt
But boy howdy he certainly does love using it.
05-13-2017 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Yeah I don't think I want to go to the big Rockbitch reunion tour. :O

Need stories about their shows though. Did you get pee sprayed on you?
I never got sprayed but it was close. She walks up and down the stage and fakes a few times before actually spraying it. When she gets close there is no time to run away in a concert crowd so all you can do is go: "no,no,no,no...phew".
Then there was the golden condom business which was thrown into the crowd and whoever catches it gets to have sex with someone in the band. There were some minor scuffles where it landed but nothing serious. I was never in the vicinity.
They also have a song called "Fist****". Not hard to imagine what the accompanying performance was.
Apart from that it was a lot lesbian sex. They also played some songs.
05-13-2017 , 02:58 AM
Did you see them in Europe?

Yeah they some big online spread dedicated to some internet shut-in-looking fan that they just gangraped for a weekend or something.

You think it's real pee or some contraption? Probably real but the pee girl (who was like their little sex slave and didn't play an instrument) drinks a ton of water or something.

Um yeah literally just googling 'rockbitch' it's all still out there. God bless the internet.
05-13-2017 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Did you see them in Europe?

Yeah they some big online spread dedicated to some internet shut-in-looking fan that they just gangraped for a weekend or something.

You think it's real pee or some contraption? Probably real but the pee girl (who was like their little sex slave and didn't play an instrument) drinks a ton of water or something.

Um yeah literally just googling 'rockbitch' it's all still out there. God bless the internet.
Yes, I saw them in Germany. The first time I heard of them was when they were supposed to play at a festival in the Netherlands (Dynamo Open Air). The authorities threatened to shut down the festival if they get on stage.
I am pretty sure that it was real pee considering you can see how it gets into her mouth.
05-14-2017 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Obviously Comey sucks and basically his partisan bias ****ed our country. That being said, he had a certain kind of integrity and some semblance of principles. I'm skeptical that it will be possible to say the same of his replacement. This is bad news.
Sort of makes you think that he was just doing his job all along when he re-opened the investigation into the whereabouts of Hillary's emails during the final stages of the campaign...

      
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