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Originally Posted by sportsjefe
Obviously. That incident is a great microcosm, a very small example of the fact that the elites are being dragooned into this as much as they are driving it, BUT they are still very complicit. John McCain's impulse is to tell the dumb old lady to STFU and stop saying Obama is a Muslim is surely real, but if the winds of time are pushing dumb old whites into power, John McCain is going to be on that train, he's not going to derail it. John McCain is symbolic and emblematic of that. See him today, just a leaf in the wind meandering around Washington jabbing at Trump but ultimately falling into line when the endorsements matter and the vote tallies come.
That is to say, for the monied elites and big business, and for the politicians they empower like McCain and the Bushes and the Romneys, and now by extension, guys like Trump: it's probably better for business and better for their cocktail parties and better for stability and better for their marriages and their vacations and better for the black guy they know at the gym IF they can achieve their goals (low tax, less regulation, stability, nothing much rocking the boat) *and* keep the angry white hordes at bay. That's ideal. They like the norms of cosmopolitan liberalsm, that's why they all live in San Francisco and New York and the Beltway and none of them would get stuck in western PA or Crawford County WI or whatever other Rust Belt or bumble**** town for longer than their campaigns would require.
In the end though, they will deal and enter into second-best and third-best compromises if they have to, to stave of drastic redistribution schemes and significant reorganization of the state on a basis that takes more from them. That they hate most of all and generally won't tolerate, and if they can't win with a smile and cosmopolitan virtues and religious and racial pluralism, they'll deploy harsher solutions and tools. They'll let Trump and Bannon and Fox and Rush rile up the whites and hitch a ride on the bandwagon.
I've long not recommended books because it's usually not helpful on a message board where links to articles and stuff are better, but I think we could all be doing more long-form reading as a cure for Trumpism. In any case Robert Paxton's
Anatomy of Fascism is worth a read here; it's pretty exhaustive on the topic of the origins of fascism and the intersections of class. And the fascist movements of the 20th century in Germany, in Italy, the Hispanidad movements, etc. -- business elites, old wealth, and the classic aristocracy started out quite aloof to fascism. It was only as the threat of communist parties and socialist movements and revolutions rose that they saw allying themselves with fascists (generally populated and started by the middle class and middle class interests) as acceptable. In Germany, in Italy, in Spain - the elites found fascism a worry initially; they eventually formed a coalition, ultimately as pragmatic choices to remedy against what they saw as worst-case scenario outcomes (socialism, communism).
Maybe glibly, and I realize I'm going to trigger people, the norms and whims of elites here in the US and elsewhere SEEMS to be something like:
Cosmopolitan liberalism > fascism > socialism/communism
As cosmopolitan liberalism is in the midst of a global rough spot (France, South Korea recent elections noted), and the forces inequality and increasing social isolation and segregation increases all over the western world animate angst and anger among the masses, the elites should not be counted on to stand guard, and I do think continued lurching (or accelerating) steps to right-wing authoritarianism are definitely on the table; they're in the range here. John McCain might poo poo the fascist sensibilities in his midst but he's on board if it comes to it and hard choices have to be made.
Last edited by DVaut1; 05-11-2017 at 05:22 AM.