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Originally Posted by stevepra
Cuse, that isn't like any of the charter schools around here, and in most places I imagine. Here, charter schools "have to" take a kid if they apply, using a lottery if there are too many applicants. I assumed the charter schools around us would have better test scores just due to the fact that the parents have to make some effort to get them in and get them there every day. The scores are no better than the public schools in the surrounding area though. In spite if that, charter schools are exploding and the state is considering allowing public funds to be used for building charter schools where that has not been allowed previously.
My son is an in elementary program similar to what you describe. It is miles ahead of any other elementary classes in the county. It would be awesome if all classes were that way. But it requires the kids to be able to manage themselves a lot.
Yeah, my understanding of the way my school was (and I graduated HS in '04, and I know they've changed some since then), is that they had to take a certain number of Phase 3, Phase 4 and Phase 5 applicants.
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I understand the wide diversity of both charter schools and people who defend them, but there's no almost no question to me that their basic original conceit and continued popularity is both because they promote segregation, continued privatization of formerly publically provided services and busting up teachers unions. And so they in effect serve to undermine public institutions and organized labor and promote segregation.
I don't disagree with that. Mine was actually quite diverse, though. My guess is that African-Americans were statistically underrepresented as a percentage of the population, but so were white people. We had a lot more students of Asian, Indian or Middle Eastern descent than the statewide population would suggest.
Mine was also a high school, so I think there is a big difference between that and an elementary charter school in terms of racial/class implications as opposed to academic testing.
Granted, I was north of the Mason Dixon line and in the South, I could see the racial aspect being a bigger driver of it.
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Originally Posted by bowens
I’m sure Charters can work and be effective. But at what cost? If they are funded and the local public is gutted of funding, what have we accomplished? What of the students who aren’t admitted to the Charter?
I am STRONGLY against teachers unions. At least with regards to the protecting of the person you described above. No union here in Missouri, thank goodness.
Financially, I'm pretty sure my school got the amount that would have gone to a public school for our education. We were publicly funded and privately run. So I guess it was basically a voucher-type system.
In theory, this shouldn't disadvantage public school kids who are still getting the same amount spent on them. However, it certainly hurt public school test scores. I'm pretty sure like 97-99% of my graduating class went to college and I think everyone graduated. I know of one or two kids who transferred out and graduated elsewhere.
I'm not sure whether that aspect hurts kids who are in public schools or helps them - in theory it helps the bottom and hurts the middle, but I'm not too sure about it.