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12-10-2017 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wiper
huh?
I thought I was pretty clear.


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so I assume you’re a union member or at least support them. that’s fine. I am too. my Mummy and my Papa were too. but I’ll be damned if I can’t have my own opinion of the ridiculousness that I’ve seen and dealt with.
LOL too perfect that we get this whiny entitled bull****. Oh, did somebody disagree with wipesy? And before he's had his afternoon bar and oxy!

He's a teacher who apparently is entirely ignorant of the entire history of the labor movement and who can barely string a sentence together, but he's, chuckle, not into the union dues thing.

Last edited by Loki; 12-11-2017 at 11:08 PM. Reason: removed personal attack
12-10-2017 , 02:10 PM
Hahha Inso's wife is a welfare leech on disability because she got punched by a ****ing 8 year old you literally couldn't make this **** up if you wanted
12-10-2017 , 02:12 PM
12-10-2017 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf

LOL too perfect that we get this whiny entitled bull****. Oh, did somebody disagree with widdle white trash wipesy? And before he's had his afternoon bar and oxy!

He's a teacher who apparently is entirely ignorant of the entire history of the labor movement and who can barely string a sentence together, but he's, chuckle, not into the union dues thing.
Charter Schools

guess I’ll leave now...
12-10-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
They are promoting segregation by setting up schools that lack racial diversity.
Isn't this what the regular public schools do as well?

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12-10-2017 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Hahha Inso's wife is a welfare leech on disability because she got punched by a ****ing 8 year old you literally couldn't make this **** up if you wanted
Don't worry, she isn't being paid, but we did the medical leave to soak an extra month of health insurance from MPS while we transitioned to mine. So YEAH FREE PONIES!

Your oversimplification of the situation is duly noted, though.
12-10-2017 , 03:12 PM
Don't you owe the tax payers some of the money for that insurance back?
12-10-2017 , 03:30 PM
It was paid for in blood.
12-10-2017 , 03:36 PM
LOL blood. That must've been one vicious 8 year old.
12-10-2017 , 03:49 PM
I know none of you are in relationships that would produce children so you have no reference, but 10 year olds aren't as small and innocent l as you seem to think. 4th/5th combo. My wife is a tiny lady.

My 11 year old daughter is 5'6", but that's a bit of an outlier as I am a giant.
12-10-2017 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Isn't this what the regular public schools do as well?
No, they don't. Or at least they do so less than charter schools.
12-10-2017 , 03:52 PM
Ins0, how many Knockout Game points did the kid who hit your wife get?
12-10-2017 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I know none of you are in relationships that would produce children so you have no reference, but 10 year olds aren't as small and innocent l as you seem to think. 4th/5th combo. My wife is a tiny lady.

My 11 year old daughter is 5'6", but that's a bit of an outlier as I am a giant.
I've got a 13 year old. You know maybe the problem was that your wife couldn't maintain control of her students. She's supposed to be the responsible adult in the room. You sound like the type of family that would scam workman's comp. I hope you have adjusters following you everywhere you go.
12-10-2017 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepra
Cuse, that isn't like any of the charter schools around here, and in most places I imagine. Here, charter schools "have to" take a kid if they apply, using a lottery if there are too many applicants. I assumed the charter schools around us would have better test scores just due to the fact that the parents have to make some effort to get them in and get them there every day. The scores are no better than the public schools in the surrounding area though. In spite if that, charter schools are exploding and the state is considering allowing public funds to be used for building charter schools where that has not been allowed previously.

My son is an in elementary program similar to what you describe. It is miles ahead of any other elementary classes in the county. It would be awesome if all classes were that way. But it requires the kids to be able to manage themselves a lot.
Yeah, my understanding of the way my school was (and I graduated HS in '04, and I know they've changed some since then), is that they had to take a certain number of Phase 3, Phase 4 and Phase 5 applicants.

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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I understand the wide diversity of both charter schools and people who defend them, but there's no almost no question to me that their basic original conceit and continued popularity is both because they promote segregation, continued privatization of formerly publically provided services and busting up teachers unions. And so they in effect serve to undermine public institutions and organized labor and promote segregation.
I don't disagree with that. Mine was actually quite diverse, though. My guess is that African-Americans were statistically underrepresented as a percentage of the population, but so were white people. We had a lot more students of Asian, Indian or Middle Eastern descent than the statewide population would suggest.

Mine was also a high school, so I think there is a big difference between that and an elementary charter school in terms of racial/class implications as opposed to academic testing.

Granted, I was north of the Mason Dixon line and in the South, I could see the racial aspect being a bigger driver of it.

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Originally Posted by bowens
I’m sure Charters can work and be effective. But at what cost? If they are funded and the local public is gutted of funding, what have we accomplished? What of the students who aren’t admitted to the Charter?

I am STRONGLY against teachers unions. At least with regards to the protecting of the person you described above. No union here in Missouri, thank goodness.
Financially, I'm pretty sure my school got the amount that would have gone to a public school for our education. We were publicly funded and privately run. So I guess it was basically a voucher-type system.

In theory, this shouldn't disadvantage public school kids who are still getting the same amount spent on them. However, it certainly hurt public school test scores. I'm pretty sure like 97-99% of my graduating class went to college and I think everyone graduated. I know of one or two kids who transferred out and graduated elsewhere.

I'm not sure whether that aspect hurts kids who are in public schools or helps them - in theory it helps the bottom and hurts the middle, but I'm not too sure about it.
12-10-2017 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Don't worry, she isn't being paid, but we did the medical leave to soak an extra month of health insurance from MPS while we transitioned to mine. So YEAH FREE PONIES!

Your oversimplification of the situation is duly noted, though.
Right wingers straight forwardly describing our health insurance system and inadvertently making an argument for single payer is the middle square on Politics Bingo
12-10-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
You know maybe the problem was that your wife couldn't maintain control of her students. She's supposed to be the responsible adult in the room.
Damn, if only she had thought of that. Where were you with these pearls of wisdom all these years?

Or, maybe you're just blissfully ignorant as to the state of many urban classrooms in this country.
12-10-2017 , 05:42 PM
So sorry to hear your wife was a failure at her profession. If she were a good teacher would she not be employable elsewhere?
12-10-2017 , 05:43 PM
"We need strong standards that hold teachers accountable, but not for my wife. None of the failures in her classroom were ever her fault, nor did she contribute to them in anyway. It was the children's fault!"
12-10-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Hahha Inso's wife is a welfare leech on disability because she got punched by a ****ing 8 year old you literally couldn't make this **** up if you wanted
republicans think that everyone is a lying shady scammer bc they themselves are. thats why they think welfare fraud is ubiquitous and out of control. Since they are not honest, it is inconceivable to them that anyone else is. and this is even more proof.
12-10-2017 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
"We need strong standards that hold teachers accountable, but not for my wife. None of the failures in her classroom were ever her fault, nor did she contribute to them in anyway. It was the children's fault!"
party of personal responsibility
12-10-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
So sorry to hear your wife was a failure at her profession. If she were a good teacher would she not be employable elsewhere?
I know you're intentionally trying to be a dick here, but the answer is yes, she could get another teaching job, just like the countless other teachers that quit MPS every year. She's choosing not to. She's taking her "failure" as you call it rather personally and isn't in a good place. She could've just started phoning it in like others do and contributed to the complacency. That's not how she rolls.


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Originally Posted by stinkubus
"We need strong standards that hold teachers accountable, but not for my wife. None of the failures in her classroom were ever her fault, nor did she contribute to them in anyway. It was the children's fault!"
Again, I realize this comes from a place of animus, but it's not quite that simple. At the end of the day, administration has to follow through on the more severe punishments. If that doesn't happen, the kids learn very quickly that there's no reason to follow any established rules of conduct. Teachers can take away lunch within reason, but the question becomes how long are you willing to sacrifice your one 25 minute break every day when it ultimately doesn't change anything? The kids are being punished because they're running around the classroom and being generally disruptive because they don't want to be there. So the option given to the teachers is is to give up your lunch break and make the kids eat in the classroom with you, where they'll still **** around with each other and now also be able to throw food around? Who is being punished here?

Instead, do you let the 8 worst kids just run amok in the halls all day while you teach the rest of the class? No, you can't. There aren't enough special education teachers to take them all, either. 40 kids, one teacher, with one paraprofessional split between 3 classrooms. You do the math.

That said, if you have all the answers on improving urban education, I'd suggest getting them in writing and pitch it to one of the many districts who are dealing with consistent failure. You'll be wealthy beyond your wildest dreams from the consulting fees alone.
12-10-2017 , 10:02 PM
Mostly I see charter schools "solving" the problems that were attempted to be solved in public schools and failed, largely because of wealth or racist reasons. For instance,

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The lottery innovation—also known as “school choice”—invites perhaps the most-polarized interpretations. A district can allow one of its schools to expel a student, but it still bears responsibility for making sure he is educated somewhere else. Similarly, a district has to educate every child in its purview, whether she started in kindergarten or arrived yesterday from Jamaica, and no matter how far behind she may be academically. Many charter schools, by contrast, admit students only during the once-a-year lottery, and sometimes only in certain grades. But while critics see the lottery approach as an abdication of responsibility, Moskowitz and Osborne champion it as a tool for social justice. Neighborhood schools, they argue, institutionalize housing segregation, making a child’s zip code his educational destiny. Charter schools, by contrast, hand the power of choice to parents who can’t afford to exercise it through real estate.
This end point was the result of conservatives (and wealthy) pushing for local control of public education in order to protect their children from poor children and/or black children. There have been plenty of left wing initiatives to break that, of course. Bussing, regional control, parental choice etc. All failed. So this solution that a child's zip code shouldn't be her destiny is a nice selling point, but it's one that wasn't determined by the public school system, it was determined by the people underlying the public school system and those people still exist, which to be fair the article covers.

So I don't see charter schools really solving any problems that plague our public school system because the underlying issues still exist and continue to exist unless charter schools are willing to ruffling some feathers in a serious way and not just the usual left leaning suspects. The closest thing it comes to changing is simply getting rid of teachers union's which, as we we've seen with the continuous union busting for the last 100 years, hasn't unleashed the creative potential of the American worker.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...m_source=atltw
12-10-2017 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
No, they don't. Or at least they do so less than charter schools.
According to this Brookings report you are correct that charter schools are on average more segregated than comparable traditional public schools, although this is somewhat regionally dependent.
12-11-2017 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Mostly I see charter schools "solving" the problems that were attempted to be solved in public schools and failed, largely because of wealth or racist reasons. For instance,

This end point was the result of conservatives (and wealthy) pushing for local control of public education in order to protect their children from poor children and/or black children. There have been plenty of left wing initiatives to break that, of course. Bussing, regional control, parental choice etc. All failed. So this solution that a child's zip code shouldn't be her destiny is a nice selling point, but it's one that wasn't determined by the public school system, it was determined by the people underlying the public school system and those people still exist, which to be fair the article covers.
I don't think public education is this zero-sum a struggle. Improvements to education for low-income and minority children don't have to come at the expense of other kids.

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So I don't see charter schools really solving any problems that plague our public school system because the underlying issues still exist and continue to exist unless charter schools are willing to ruffling some feathers in a serious way and not just the usual left leaning suspects. The closest thing it comes to changing is simply getting rid of teachers union's which, as we we've seen with the continuous union busting for the last 100 years, hasn't unleashed the creative potential of the American worker.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...m_source=atltw
What do you think these underlying issues are?
12-11-2017 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
My 11 year old daughter is 5'6", but that's a bit of an outlier as I am a giant.
How large are your nostrils?

      
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