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I think that nazis actively want to subvert the rule of law, and have street fighting. I think the tools to fight them are application of laws regarding the limits of freedom of speech, incitement to violence, etc., plus robust protest and dissent.

08-13-2017 , 05:55 PM

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Loki

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Originally Posted by Chippa58

I think confrontation will only make the white supremacists stronger.

Yeah, publicly displaying any rioting from ANTIFA or BLM has really helped their cause.

Then again, these rules only ever work one way, so you're probably right.

08-13-2017 , 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Rule of law is the most important thing in any large organized society imo. Having our rights enshrined in a sacred document is a good thing.

Trump is not unstoppable. He isn't getting his way on most things. Even his first Muslim ban was a half measure compared to what he wanted. Do you think Trump wants undocumenteds to have their day in court? Do you think he wants to wait for Congress to repeal Obamacare or fund the wall? The Constitution stymies his agenda bigly.

Idk what you mean by the Constituion "allows the election of a Trump figure." Any democracy allows it. The constitutionality of the President's power over nuclear weapons is far from a settled issue. It's being challenged even now.

"allows the election of a Trump figure who is terminally untrustworthy, [and] unopposable in practical terms "

08-13-2017 , 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

You literally just wrote "Hath not a Nazi eyes" to pwn a lib for noticing you used an unequivocably antisemitic reference about the treatment of James Fields.

Both are from the same play, you Philistine!

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Son you're on a path that ends up with first hand knowledge of what curb tastes like. This is a deadly serious issue, not a game. I'm treating it as such. I know white kids with mental health issues and developmental disorders get treated with kid gloves their whole lives, but there is **** wrong with you that you need to fix.

Are you threatening violence against me here? Or does Edward Norton live down the block from me?

You have been aggressive and vulgar, and when I caution restraint you suggest I have some kind of mental issue.

08-13-2017 , 06:03 PM

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iamnotawerewolf

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Of course the importance of writing down the rules cannot be overstated.

08-13-2017 , 06:07 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families"

08-13-2017 , 06:10 PM

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fatkid

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I feel like this may be the turning point:

08-13-2017 , 06:13 PM

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AllTheCheese

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

"allows the election of a Trump figure who is terminally untrustworthy, [and] unopposable in practical terms "

Okay, but I disputed unstoppable, and what about the US Constitution specifically are you objecting to that empowers the President beyond what you would find acceptable? The system is intentionally designed with many checks. You can't blame the Framers for the modern stewards of those checks doing a bad job.

08-13-2017 , 06:15 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

The one thing that keeps me up at night is that Trump is unstoppable when it comes to reshaping the SC. There's basically no way going forward to realistically stop him from putting at least one most person on. There's also minimal chance that he doesn't have a wider-margin R-controlled Senate in front of him after '18. Both these things will eventually result in more of his agenda getting through.

08-13-2017 , 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chippa58

Meantime, its not impossible to believe that free speech/hate speech will come before a court at some point in the near future, maybe the Supreme Court. How would you expect this court to decide?

9-0.

08-13-2017 , 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Well, I mean, but he is stoppable. Senators don't have to approve his nominees, and people can vote in Senators who oppose his agenda. Thr problem above is not Constitutional. It's societal.

08-13-2017 , 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Clearly right wing America is too infatuated with nazis for them to think clearly on this issue, so maybe we should come about this another way.

Should ISIS be able to hold rallies, openly recruit members, and try to influence people to terrorize and murder American citizens on American soil?

Because that's what this hate rally was. It was terrorists recruiting others to their violent cause. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, Muslims should be able to petition their government to implement Sharia law. But there will be consequences to that behavior. Just as you see the Nazis getting doxxed or punched so would they.

08-13-2017 , 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by awval999

Yes, Muslims should be able to petition their government to implement Sharia law.

You think ISIS recruiting terrorists is the same thing as Muslims wanting to be allowed to use Sharia law?

08-13-2017 , 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

You think ISIS recruiting terrorists is the same thing as Muslims wanting to be allowed to use Sharia law?

You'd have to be more specific.

Can people waive the ISIS flag and protest for Sharia, yes.

Can they walk around with knives and AK47s and chant death to America, no, that's inciting panic, which the Constitution doesn't protect.

08-13-2017 , 06:38 PM

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There were 3 percenter/militiamen/tactical squad cosplayers at the protests.

08-13-2017 , 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by awval999

i will gladly take your blatant refusal to answer my actual question as admission that i've got a point

08-13-2017 , 06:49 PM

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lol at these windmill-tilters

08-13-2017 , 06:55 PM

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fatkid

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windmill-tilters? Wtf is that?

08-13-2017 , 06:58 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

That is something you should not have said.

I mean, he had already outed himself with the pound of flesh comment. may as well go all the way and piss off as many ppl as possible.

08-13-2017 , 07:00 PM

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AllTheCheese

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Originally Posted by fatkid

windmill-tilters? Wtf is that?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

Pvn is saying Bannon is an imaginary enemy, one of the spicier hot takes I've heard.

08-13-2017 , 07:02 PM

#597

FlyWf

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That's not what he meant ATC and you know it

08-13-2017 , 07:04 PM

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Victor

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Originally Posted by awval999

No worries. I am smart enough.

bro, you are already 0 for 1.

08-13-2017 , 07:07 PM

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pvn itt:

- What about Hillary?

- The free market loves Trump tweets.

- Lol libs trying to get Bannon fired.

Solid imo.

08-13-2017 , 07:11 PM

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Heroball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_at_windmills

Pvn is saying Bannon is an imaginary enemy, one of the spicier hot takes I've heard.

Lol no.

He's saying getting rid of Bannon ain't gonna do **** to quell hate.

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