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08-16-2018 , 12:02 AM
In what way was Carter not annoying? I give him credit for being a genuinely nice guy, but that’s not a good quality for a President.
08-16-2018 , 12:05 AM
Annoying you is a point in his favor.
08-16-2018 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Praetor1an
In what way was Carter not annoying? I give him credit for being a genuinely nice guy, but that’s not a good quality for a President.
He’s not annoying in many ways, his charitable work being prob the most important. I meant that hes annoying in the sense that when he’s on TV promoting his 10th book about faith and his spiritual journey through life I’m gonna insta change the channel.
08-16-2018 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by aarono2690
One thing that REALLY pisses off deplorables is supporting ANTIFA. Try it the next time you get into a debate over civility and it eventually gets to the topic of ANTIFA vs Nazis. A lot of Trump supporters connect with this issue at a visceral level and it seems to trigger a strong emotional response that pointing out Trump's corruption can never do to them.

I recall one guy trying to get me to admit ANTIFA was bad and on the same level as Nazis because they use violence. I pointed out that I LOVE watching Masterlock padlocks connecting with Nazi domes and it short-circuited him. Just yuck it up and don't give them an inch in the conversation. They want you to say violence is NEVER okay and that both sides are bad actors - do NOT do this.

Their only counter is to further push that both sides are equally bad or eventually admit they side more with Nazis. When this debate occurs in front of an audience it can produce some interesting results as Billy slowly reveals he's a Nazi sympathizer.
I'm a little wary of the narrative that Fox News drives the right-wing into fits of sputtering rage. I've long argued that it's kind of the other way around, that there's a huge market demand for sputtering rage among right-wingers that Fox News and AM radio simply provides and that Fox's role is often to corral the herd into mainstream Republican Party interests. Sometimes blaming Fox News for deplorables is like blaming Subway for people being hungry.

But this is one case where I'm pretty confident the average deplorable is being whipped into frothy rage about Antifa due precisely to right-wing propaganda and agitprop coming mostly from Fox News. Fox and Friends and their nightly people just play random videos of anyone in a black mask lighting fires and chucking rocks and battling cops or whatever, Antifa or not, on infinite loop as they editorialize and display chyrons that present Antifa as anarchists bent on cop murder or whatever. Deplorables have no first hand knowledge of Antifa, the average mainstream Democrat and media outlet is going to stand meekly opposed to them and finger wag in Antifa's direction that there's no place for street violence, and not really give them much coverage since they're more inconvenient to conventional Democrats than anything.

It leaves the entire narrative for defining them open to Fox News, scary videos, and right-wing pundits.

Plumb around the average deplorable's mind about what they know about Antifa and if they're over say 50 years old, it's straight rote repetition from whatever Fox's pundits are saying, they have no frame or knowledge about Antifa outside of that. Contrast that with other elements of our political culture (e.g., the welfare state apparatus, race relations, the drug war, whatever) where there's a whole informal cottage industry of right-winger communication like chain emails and country club or water cooler chatter, cultural institutions (e.g., right-wing or conservative churches, ingrained southern racism) or personal experience that is informing them. Antifa is different and all they know is what they learned from the Fox and Friends and Tucker and Laura Ingrham.

Last edited by DVaut1; 08-16-2018 at 02:14 AM.
08-16-2018 , 02:37 AM
I think it's most accurate to say that the deplorable base and Fox News have a symbiotic relationship. A good analogy is porn; porn preferences have become more "extreme" over time, like the ratio of anal sex to vaginal sex watched by consumers has steadily climbed. Is that because that's what consumers wanted all along, or is PornHub pushing its preferences on consumers? Neither, rather, that's just how preferences change when people are given unlimited access to porn. Fox News is just what happens when right-wingers collide with a media environment with much more concern for delivering entertainment than for truth or social responsibility.
08-16-2018 , 02:40 AM
Fair enough. I agree right-wing media and the deplorables are more symbiotic than formally top-down or bottom-up.

I just wanted to compare and contrast, and note that there's lots of fascinating sort of deplorable herp derp, a lot of rage and misanthropy, and blame for that is often getting laid at the feet of FNC. I wanted to point out that narrative is often missing the bigger picture of the sources of deplorableness, which has a lot of vectors.

But in this case, right wing anger and rage about Antifa is almost wholly manufactured by Fox.
12-07-2018 , 06:28 PM


Justice.
12-07-2018 , 06:32 PM
Rot in jail, scumbag.
12-07-2018 , 11:22 PM
bye *****
12-07-2018 , 11:32 PM
I read he cried in court
12-08-2018 , 05:52 PM
Good. ****ing scum
12-11-2018 , 01:28 PM


And nothing of value was lost.
12-11-2018 , 01:44 PM
I turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole.
No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried
Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried

~M.Haggard

Doing life to pwn the libs.
12-11-2018 , 01:50 PM
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Fields, 21, was convicted of first-degree murder and nine other charges on Friday, including the wounding of others in the crash and fleeing the scene. Jurors had the option of 20 years to life on the first degree murder charge, plus additional time on the other counts.

The jury also recommended a sentence of 70 years each on five counts of aggravated malicious wounding, 20 years each on three counts of malicious wounding and 9 years for hit and run, as well as a $100,000 fine.
no idea how parole works in Virginia, but I'm curious whether the judge will have the sentences run consecutively

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Fields’ defense called a psychologist Monday who testified Fields had a long history of mental health issues.
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as a young child [he] was diagnosed with bipolar disorder [and later] with schizoid personality disorder.
for conservatives in Virginia concerned that the penalty is too harsh given his situation, consider:

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If Virginia were to opt to expand Medicaid up to 138% of the federal poverty level, as allowed under the Affordable Care Act, an estimated 80,000 adults in Virginia who have mental health disorders and are currently uninsured would gain insurance coverage.
12-11-2018 , 02:36 PM
Lol, on a jail call he told is mother he didn’t care that Heather Heyer was killed because she was the enemy and a communist. Jail calls were always the favorite tool in my arsenal as a prosecutor. Defendant’s just couldn’t help themselves. The beginning of every call would say “this call is being recorded and may be monitored,” and they would still make all kinds of ridiculous admissions.

      
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