There's a number of reasons but people will tend to associate more with seeing kids senselessly murdered doing some everyday thing, like going to a gig, that their own kids could be doing rather than a kid dying from malnutrition etc in a far off country. That doesn't make it right or wrong, it just tends to be how things are.

well thanks Obama i guess

Seems unlikely that a mass "burying heads in the sand" campaign makes the problem go away. I mean maybe, but probably not.

Uh, Northern Ireland is peaceful now. If we could do to ISIS what England did to the IRA as a resolution that would be really good. I don't think that's possible because ISIS pretty clearly does NOT want a seat at the table, they aren't like the IRA or the PLO or most other "terrorist" groups that have a clearly identifiable grievance.

Are you implying that what should've happened in the Troubles was like, a Catholic travel ban? A statue of Sinead O'Connor ripping up a picture of the Pope?

That involved a military defeat and infiltration at the highest level of the command structure by the security forces forcing them to peace talks. The latter part isn't really possible to the same extent and as you say, they have no interest in peace.

I just read that waitbutwhy. definitely learned a lot

There is an excellent essay that I might have linked before (note, I have a vague recollection that both author and cite are kind of shady, but it's still a great essay):

One point that Khan doesn't make, but I think is obvious, is that a lot of the gung-ho time-to-get-tough-in-some-unspecified-way crowd have the same motivations as people who join up with ISIS. They're different, and they're less wicked, but it's mostly a matter of circumstance. They're losers who have failed to fashion a meaningful life in the real world and want to lose themselves in a narrative that provides meaning for them. ISIS recruits a harder core of losers than MAGAism and asks for a hell of a lot more sacrifices, but the basic idea is the same. If they were raised in Nazi Germany, they would join the Hitler Youth or the SS, and if they were raised in imperial Russia they would be Bolsheviks. The point is not the content of the narrative, it's that the narrative has a juicy role for them. As DVaut points out, it kind of gives the game away that there isn't even a hint of actual policies they want, let alone a strategic theory about how those policies will lead to good outcomes. I mean, Gorka is one of the lead counterterrorism guys in the White House, and he has no qualifications whatsoever. He spent some time playing dress-up with fascists and getting some sort of correspondence college degree in IR, and now he's a leader.

Asking what ISIS "wants" or asking what your resident Islamophobe wants is almost a category error. The rank and file don't want anything in particular, they just want to engage themselves in the process of fighting for something. The leadership doesn't want anything either, they just want the power they can get by seducing losers into their narrative. Maybe there are some lunatic ideologues writing for Dabiq or Breitbart who actually have insane dreams, but they're not driving the boat, they're more like HR functionaries for the wingnut enterprise.

Attacker named as Salman Abedi

Unclear on country of birth, but had a UK passport

This is mostly spot-on imo. But I disagree with the characterization that anyone who joins the military is some kind of loser at life. I'd argue that ISIS, SS, Bolsheviks, US Military et al are simply tapping into/hijacking the warrior spirit that is prevalent in a lot of young men. It's the same spirit that drove young gentlemen to jump on a boat and explore the ends of the earth 100-200 years ago. It's the same spirit that drives people to climb mountains.

In WWI many (most?) of the well-heeled young Americans hanging out in Paris signed up and fought with the French Foreign Legion years before the US entered the war. It was the thing to do.

You're not going to satisfy that impulse with an accounting job.

Which mod is so enamored with the infallibility of Islam he's twice deleted a post critical of it?

Guess you're really keen on snuffing out any discussion of the root problem here.

We need to start recruiting for the Kurds and FSA in the US. You want to fight a war of civilizations? There's the front line, here's a rifle.

Hi.

Super keen. Take your garbage to 7.0 or really anywhere else.

#NeverTrump

What would you do or say differently than what's currently being done about terrorism? Be specific.

I didn't say anything remotely like that!

I think it's clear that almost everyone has an innate hunger for narrative, and it's true that the military caters to a certain variation of that hunger for recruiting. Med school sells narrative too though, as do churches and the United Way. The point is not (necessarily) that needing a narrative is a sign of loserdom, it's that inability to find or become compatible with a narrative with inherent meaning leads people to accept nihilistic narratives whose meaning they don't care about or understand.

Surprised it took the vultures this long to show up. Usually domer is here to spew hate within the hour. And Tein hasn't even shown up yet, I'm starting to worry.

Well now that we're BFFs with Turkey, I fear we're going to go in the opposite directions and allow the Kurds to be crushed.

I took this to apply to the entire group of young men who join the military, not just ISIS.

In any case, I guess I would argue that for some young men, the narrative needs to contain an element of real danger and adventure to satisfy the warrior impulse.

As an example, in my case the warrior spirit sublimated into pretty much the stupidest, worst manifestation it could (next to joining ISIS) - hardcore drug use and other related risky behavior. Your loser at life analogy perfectly applies to me in my 20s at least.

Also they're still an official terrorist group for the purpose of putting people in prison.

Domer,

7.0 is the new name for politics unchained. Chez got salty when I didnt call it by its proper name recently. Over there I'm sure you'll find plenty of people who agree with you and can validate all your big boy theories about the scourge of islam and such.

The next post of yours i delete from this thread will be a temp ban.

Good for knowing what's going on in the king's court in the White House, bad for ongoing investigations. We've already got the Israeli's pissed at us why not just go for everyone?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mitchprothe...JLK#.pfr06j1Ee

suzzer, you have asked me this many times, and I have answered it many times.

The first step is acknowledging the problem, something that tom is literally demonstrating in bright, shining lights is IMPOSSIBLE for many to do.

Obviously that is a small & obvious step, but I think it would have large ramifications.

Ultimately what needs to be done is a reformation from within. Kafirs aren't going to solve it by force.

ISIS is the reformation though.

Step 1: Rail against ordinary Muslims who have noting to do with terror attacks.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Victory.

Weird, the P7 thread on this has 14 posts. I thought they'd have figured it all out by now. Or maybe they have so there's nothing to say.

domer - your services are needed.

I think you misinterpreted "be specific" to mean "be hopelessly vague".

What is "the problem", who specifically isn't "acknowledging the problem" and how would you "acknowledge the problem" differently?