CNN saying ISIS claims responsibility for the attack.

You will hear lots of incorrect things about ISIS motives in the MSM some of it for noble but terribly misguided reasons and some of it just plain idiotic and cowardly.

The best way to know their motives is to go to the source and look at what ISIS says their motives are. The link below is from from Dabiq, the official ISIS state magazine. There is an article titled Why We Hate You and Why We Fight You. I can't think of a better source to learn ISIS motives.

It's important to note that this is the beliefs of ISIS and ISIS inspired terrorists and does not represent the views of the muslim community as a whole

http://clarionproject.org/factsheets...-the-cross.pdf



I don't think you can get the truth from a better source or get it any clearer than that.

Fundamentally (npi) isis want to force a choice between being british (french american etc) and being a muslim. They want a world where you're one or the other and it's not conceivable to be both because they know that faced with that choice some people who otherwise would have zero beef with the society they inhabit are going to choose their religion. Thwarting isis means doing everything we can to avoid this false dichotomy.

Wouldn't it benefit ISIS to just claim every attack that is made public?

If young Muslims are liable to become suicide bombers because of some harmless mockery then that tells you an awful lot about the religion we're dealing with.

Perhaps Trump's Muslim ban isn't such a bad idea?

I've often wondered if they're already doing that for the most part.

The claims have to credible to have an impact, if it would be revealed that a lot of the claims are false they become useless

The whole point of the attacks is to attempt to exacerbate tensions in the communities targeted, this is not some unknown.

The more right wing extremist nationalist someone one is, the more the terrorists win, because they want war, they want boots on the ground in Muslim countries, they want non radical muslims being antagonised and discriminated against and thus radicalised.

The absolute last thing they want is dialogue, or a seat at the table, again this is a known. It is expressed time and time in their literature.

Part of cult of ISIS is that they are bringing about an end times apocalyptic war with the Infidels. They are absolutely distinct to the IRA and comparing them to the IRA is simple ignorance.

Just imagine how stupid they would look if they claimed the car driving over people in New York as an attack.

Those laws are a proxy to go after truly hateful people. It's like getting al capone on tax avoidance, the restriction on "speech" is really a restriction on violence and incitement. Stay vigilant against the slippery slope for sure but I as a uk resident can publicly write on this message board that mohammed was a vicious warmonger who perpetrated great evil on those he subjugated and that believing in a god of any stripe is completely ludicrous. I have zero fear that anyone is going to arrest me or restrict my speech in any way.

The 2017 White House disagrees.

Why do you think this only happens to young Muslims?

A lot of the same mechanisms are at work when young Christians join Neo Nazi groups, they feel like they don't have a chance in society and the groups give them purpose

It won't, it's a simple gesture of defiance and certainly counterproductive.

Yes, I know it's a crappy idea. Am angry today. Venting.

Walk that placard up and down the street outside a mosque and see how that works for you.

Why would I? That would be borderline incitement. Even so, I doubt anything would happen to me legally. I might get some grief from people but I find it highly unlikely that the law would intervene to stop me.

What impact does news that ISIS claims responsibility for a terrorist attack have?

1. Presents a common enemy and source of societal traumas.

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Honestly I think they would - breach of the peace minimum once reported. And they'd probably be right, I think you get hauled off for your own safety.

What you get charged with (if anything) might be interesting.

I already assumed they were.

They just figure, "Well he did what we would have done. So he's one of us."

If you walked up and down certain pubs with a placard that made legitimate criticisms of certain football teams, you would get the **** kicked out of you.

Say critical things of Group X outside a cultural focal point of Group X get in a sticky situation is in no way exclusive to Mosques.

What you should do is piss off half the world, maybe even start more violence and attacks, in order to feel slightly better.

Sometimes the 1st Amendment is a real ***** to deal with.

Absolutely. And anything that drives a wedge between the Muslim community and the rest of us is a huge win for them. We must do everything we can to stop them achieving that.

The more big deadly attack they claim the more fear they create.

The entire purpose of terrorist organizations is doing attacks and letting everyone know you did it.

It cannot get any clearer than that.

Also, it's pretty terrifying how good the propaganda is in that ISIS magazine.

If anyone's interested in the whole why the **** is this happening question these articles are good.
From Muhammed to isis

What Isis Actually Wants

In the end you might only stop it if you cut off their supply of manpower. But for that to happen you need to give them a life worth living. Educate them, feed them and let them have their fair share of wealth.
But we dont need to kid ourselves. There will always be people (mostly men) who feel they were left behind. Doesnt matter if they have to blame themselves or other reasons. They will always be vulnerable to be drawn into radical movements. At the end you can only do your best to minimize the number of these individuals.

Nowadays I ask myself: Why are we so attached to these victims? Yes they are kids which makes it even worse. Yet in 2015 5.9mil kids died who were youger than 5 years old. Newspapers will be full of cover stories for the next days yet so many people die each day, month or year and often its not their fault either.