https://www.healthline.com/diabetesm...ccess-deaths#2


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...aternal-deaths

No you let people access the wealth that THEY built in the first place directly. Essentials should not be something one has to afford or pay for, they should be available to all. And YES that includes noncitizens.

These are the questions we will be asking with the impending crises of climate change. These are the answers we will be missing under the current model. They aren't even possibilities to imagine under capitalism.

Damn now you guys are really developing a structured plan to take care of people in a disaster situation. Now let's make it more reliable, harden it up, and make sure that we increase supplies of essentials right before disasters and have plenty of safe places for people to shelter available wayyyyy ahead of time. Now we have a much better plan for keeping our population safe and healthy in the event of a natural disaster. And we did it all using socialism/communism.

In places that get so hot that people die all the time in the summer from not having AC, basic AC should be free and available to all. Again, it's simply the workers accessing the wealth they themselves created in the first place. In places like New Orleans, Birmingham, Houston, etc., it would actually help a lot of people and make a lot of elderly people's quality of life a lot better.

Knew OP would be einbert the instant I read the thread title.

Sort by empty food shelves is silly. When I traveled to Crete for vacation, I went into a Carrefour to do some food shopping and half of the grocery shelves were empty. Literally not a single item on them. People there weren't starving to death though. It was that it was offseason for tourism. A good chunk of the houses there are summer homes and the place is only packed with food during high season for tourism.

Sometimes the place where there's a large grocery store is simply too large for the population. The Carrefour was in Chania which has a population of slightly above 50,000 people. It has to compete with small convenience stores and outdoor markets throughout the city.

You're advocating for a competent and robust disaster preparedness plan here, not for or against capitalism or communism.

There's nothing stopping a competent and functional government in a capitalist society from stockpiling things like bottled water and canned foods for such situations, and making them available for free immediately before/after a disaster.

Of course, we already try to do this after... Your issue is with the incompetence of FEMA, not with capitalism.

Where in capitalism does it say building safety nets is good business?

Most would consider the US to be one of the most capitalist countries in the world, and we have FEMA. It's plagued by gross incompetence and racial malfeasance, but if we cleaned it up then I would argue that we'd have as good of a safety net as any communist system.

You didn’t answer the question. A solely profit driven system by definition doesn’t care about safety nets.

Of course he answered the question because no one here is arguing for pure 100% capitalism. But in any case, keeping people alive, healthy, and productive is incredibly +EV under general free market theory.

Who will build the grocery filled storm shelters, comrade?

I never advocated for a solely profit driven system, now, did I? I specifically advocated for a safety net in this case. I pointed out that einbert was not arguing for or against capitalism/communism, but in favor of competent and robust disaster preparedness programs.

I'm a believer in well-regulated capitalism.

Dutch auction with quantity limits obviously.

There is something i don't understand with the moderation in this forum. Of course it's your forum so i am not going to say how you "should" do things, i am only inquiring to understand what's the site philosophy behind moderation choices.

How comes that using a nazi symbol as avatar is forbidden, and opening pro-nazi threads is forbidden, while using a communist symbol is allowed, and opening pro-communism threads is allowed?

Do you moderators of this forum disagree with the notion that communism killed more people than nazism? i thought that was a undisputable fact well supported by evidence.

Do you moderators think that the thresold to ban political ideas is not how many people got killed by their implementation but something else? what exactly?

It's not unclear to me why banning pro nazi symbols, and speech in general, helps keeping a decent level of conversation. It's really unclear to me however how that doesn't apply to communism too.

So given that this is a place full of smart people i am surely missing something obvious that justifies censorship towards pro-nazi, but not censorship towards pro communism.

Please enlight me

Wow, this is a ****ing STUMPER, they really are basically the same!

False equivalence Mr. Nazi, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to limit anyone, except me(trump style) that posts in the politics forum, to be isolated to the politics forum.

Hmm...

So that seems pretty bad, but this...

Just as bad, right? Exactly the same, for the most part! How can the dumbass mods on this site possibly treat them differently?! I just can't figure it out!

Not necessarily it depends on your opinion wether they are "basically the same" or not. If you are cambodian it's probable that you think communism is far worse than nazism for example. If you are jew its probably the opposite.

If you are detached by personal/national/etnic damages that those brutal regimes produced then it depends.

I am asking because for me communism, using what i think it's correct to measure the negative impact of an ideology, is far worse than nazism and its not even close.

But people can disagree with that as it appears you do so i am asking why.

Also, even if you think communism is less damaging to humanity than nazism, you still need to argue why 100 million dead people and several countries destroyed for decades by it aren't enough to ban it as an ideology from this forum

No it isn't. And I despise nazis. You ever argue with a Holocaust denier?If you haven't then don't bother they're an irrational shower of hate filled nutjobs.

But it is not a false equivalence both regimes were equally odious in terms of human suffering & the death toll from Communism far surpassed that of Nazism, which is no mean feat btw.

How does asking such a question equate to being a nazi btw? How do you infer this?

I think Luciom has a good point, though. Communist countries have a pretty big body count on their hands - more than the number of people who died in the Holocaust.

But speaking of body counts, do you know who makes the grim reaper jealous as ****?

AUTOMOBILES!

Over a million people worldwide die in car crashes every year! Did you know people on this forum have the gall to put cars in their avatars, spitting in the faces of everyone who's fallen victim to these death machines?! Look at this ****ing douchebag:



And glorifying death panels to boot! Utterly horrifying. Typical lefty mods have GOT TO GO!

So you are saying a political system + philosphy that violates brutally the basic rights of minorities is terrible (yes i agree).

But a political system + philosophy which violates brutally the basic rights of every single person is not as terrible.

I still don't follow your logic.

so i make a post where i point out that i agree with censorship of pronazi ideas but i get called mr nazi.

Are "cars" a political belief system? Whatever.

Not every car user kills people. Actually the vast majority don't ever kill some1 with their car.

Every communist country killed far more people than every democratc country (as a % of their domestic population)

But nice try i guess?

This allows you to say that the dead count isn't enough to justify calling communism worse than nazism. And i allowed for that, it makes sense, not every1 gives the same value to human life.

It's still something you have to justify if you allow pro-communist conversations (imho).

Communism as an ideology and communism in practise have a disconnect that is not apparent in National Socialism. NS sets out to be bastard from the offset and in communism it happens because of theoretical flaws.

One problem with classic Communist theory is that it has a very naive underdeveloped theory of power. Revolution and bang the State is gone. Hi dere one party state...huh?

This problem has been thought about a lot by communist theorists and more modern communist are totally aware of the legacy of communist failures.

Because unlike Nazi's communist's dont want to be bastard from the outset. To quote Marx, the ideal of communism is "Man transcendent in Man."

FWIW I am not a communist, I think there are better systems for reaching that ideal,

Einbert bless him is not really helping there cause.