https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counci...European_Union

It's the council of ministers. Your elected UK government sends one of its national ministers to represent it. Which minister is sent depends on the topic.

looooool look what happens when BitchiBee tries to apply "knowing things" as a prerequisite for his political beliefs!

Your posts at least made more sense when you didn't pretend they were based on something other than pure immigrant-hating anger, this is pathetic.

yeah, this is clearly BB every time reality and facts don't line up with his world view:

Things are happening fast:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...european-union

Prepare for that nobody is listening to UK representants in the corridors of Brussels at Monday.

Sorry.

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Haha, yeah that's what happened. Bad BAD russia! You guys are hilarious.

Can I not criticize the EU and still want to be a part of it ? Seems pretty easy to understand for a bunch of smart fellas like yourselves. I encourage direct democracy though so even though I don't think brexit is best for me, I can accept their choice.

So you will need 45% of the states to block something in the new USE. That's actually harder than in the USA where senators from 40% of the states can filibuster. If the official Leave campaign had been better informed they would have been able to win by more.

People mentioning Farage and the 350 mil. Farage wasn't part of the campaign that put that out, he ran his own parallel campaign.

Sounds like we left at the right time.

exactly not by popular vote, also the real power in the eu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

maybe 1 in 28 of not popularly elected bureaucrat is really not the best voting system for British interests

What is your point? Do you feel like the ministers of your UK government lack democratic legitimization?!

And 1 in 28 is perfectly fine if you have the power to veto essentially everything (for now).

appointed is not democratically elected, its a definition

I never claimed they were elected by direct popular vote. Again, what is your point?

You elect your government and your government then selects a minister to represent you. Exactly the same as your UK government works, I assume you don't elect every single position directly?!

Time will tell. 5-10 years from now we could look back at this topic and saying how dumb most of us were for saying leaving was a horrible idea. could be one of the best ideas ever if it pans out

the original question is this

also did anyone in Britain elect these people through popular vote???
the answer is clearly no

idk why you try to show me up when you are clearly wrong here

I don't know seems like 51% of Britain is ready to contemplate Brexit.

yeah lets lock the thread and reopen in 10 years

look forward to all the crow the world is falling crowd will have to eat

BitchiBee is WOAT.

Geez, dude, like even elementary school kids understand the idea of representational democracy.

This. Seems like a lot of speculation and tribalism itt.

Makes for an entertaining thread though...

A great result for common sense and democracy. The EU is a failing political union which has terrible economic growth rates and mass unemployment in the southern countries.

It's a race to the bottom and we are far better out of it. Has the EU improved the living standards in the poorer nations since it's inception, doesn't seem so to me. Of course the rich nations and career politicians have all done very well from it.

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OMG, Most of the UK must be dumb, racist pensioners?

I'm wrong about what exactly? I never claimed they were directly elected.

I was assuming that you were trying to make some kind of argument about the lack of democratic legitimization of the Council of Ministers. I pointed out that there is no problem at all about their legitimization, unless you have a general problem with the way ministers are appointed in the UK government. (I don't see how leaving the EU would change anything about that though.)

we vote for 650 mps, who nominate 1 person to sit on a board of 28 other people that make all the decisions in the eu

whoooooo great

The more steps between you and the person the worse it is. You don't directly elect the government either.

You elect you MP, who will move heaven and earth for you if you're in his caseload (for example the child support agency will fasttrack a case an MP is working on, have a special number for them to call etc.).

Your MP's elect a prime minister, who will try to avoid offending you

The prime minister chooses ministers (it's more complicated in the case of a coalition)

By the time you get down to ministers work with civil servants who choose other civil servants who choose front line staff the democratic legitimacy is wearing thin and the people you deal with are often openly contemptuous.

The fewer intermediate steps the better.

No, it was just over one-third of the electorate. Just under one-third failed to vote, one-third voted Remain, and a sliver over one-third voted Leave. Had the result been the other way on the same percentage, we would have been told it was a wafer-thin majority that would inevitably mean another referendum soon. (Farage said so.)

This is an important point. I've been reading some stuff today from some hard lefties who correctly observed that several bulwarks of Labour voters were also Leave supporters, which effectively demolishes the trope that Leave succeeded exclusively through the efforts of right wing xenophobes.

meh all the boring sovereignty stuff, but free movement has been great for everyone and if you dont like it i will think bad things about you, even if you're a sweet old pensioner.

Yeah I think the logic for leaving is shaky at best. But to chalk the result up to entirely racism is a gross oversimplification. It's a combination of factors including the 30% of voters who decided to not bother showing up at all.