Controlled immigration > uncontrolled immigration.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...of-brexit-date

The UK manipulated the EU in ripping Mays proposal apart and giving a 2 week extension for the case her deal doesnt pass. May played it so well, that it is looking like the EU is dictating the terms but that just was the plan along.

I did appreciate the way May accepted the deal as if it was her plan rather than the EU saying lol at the idea she will definitely get her deal through next week.

Wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...646.html%3famp

Wow, what a successful campaign!

Tells you a lot about the remainer approach to the ref. They must have been utter ****.

Just think, you voted with the thick ***** that were dim enough to buy that.

Meanwhile, you can learn about all of the benefits of the US trade deal here: https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-w...19-3?r=US&IR=T

i think one of the reasons that the leave vote stays solid is because it's a principles thing for leavers, whilst remainers keep arguing about specifics, and never actually address the principles thing. I personally don't care if every single rule we have to abide by is either good or neutral, I don't want my government to have to take laws not yet formulated and passed elsewhere as a shoo-on - it's that simple. As important to me is I don't want people who do not have the interests of this country as their first priority being solely in charge of trade negotiations for this country.

Remainers might want to really, really think about why sharing ALL the things we have given up are good, and go about explaining that.

A lot I get - almost everything non-political and non-monetary union that is shared is a good thing for example, and the truly international issues like environment, security are good to share - but there's an awful lot we've conceded that are purely for a political goal many people don't want to buy into. An awful lot of remainers equally don't want to buy into it either, but assume it's the price that must be paid to have the good stuff.


For most people in the UK its about their level of toleration of the EU, not their wholehearted support for the federalisation program going on.

The leave vote is too stupid to know that a bollocks slogan on the side of a bus is bollocks. They are deaf to facts or reason. That's why they don't change their mind.

die,

We all agree that remain failed because they debated with facts and statistics. They should have gone with lies and colliding with hostile foreign powers instead like leave did.

But some of us care about democracy and sovereignty.

What facts were those again? I don't recall any facts, just warnings, bull**** predictions that didn't come true, and no real explanation of the benefits of being in the EU.

Bitter is partially correct here. The Remain campaign should have focused more on the benefits of being in the EU, which are substantial. We fought a very negative campaign and this is (at least) partially to blame for us losing the referendum.

So who exactly wants what is best for your country? You certainly don't and none the politicians that you've so much hope for don't either.

I'd go as far as saying anyone advocating for any shade of brexit is actively trying to harm the prosperity of the country and everyone in it. Yes I'm pointing at you bitter/masters/sooted/husker/Any other **** reading and is super pro brexit.....EAD.

Your last paragraph nailed it and it really is all about what people can tolerate. So for most that's quite a lot but the racist bigot idiots can't tolerate so much.

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And I know nobody is surprised that el masters the racist pointed out the one benefit of leaving rather than staying.....can anybody guess his big thing to come out of that? Yep you guessed it, controlled immigration.

Lol racist ****wit

i know it sounds disingenuous, but I was waiting and waiting to be convinced to vote Remain, and wasn't.

There were two night of TV in a row when Cameron came on and did Project Fear soundbites nd nothing else, and then the next night Sadiq Khan came on and did EXACTLY THE SAME SOUNDBITES.

That's when I realised Remain had nothing in the tank. They weren't even slightly persuasive or appealing.


Also, I do realise that being in the EU has a lot of benefits btw, but I dislike its downsides intensely.

For me, the arrangements have turned out to be Faustian rather than symbiotic.

absolutely. And arguing about whether it was £350M or £200M or ... was ****ing stupid when it was just focusing the debate on a huge cost number without anyone being positive about what we were getting for it or why the EU is a really good thing that we want to be a member off

^ This

Its damning to even admit that anything a politician said was going to swing you either way.

If you wanted positive reasons to stay in Europe, then a small amount of time spent on the internet would have sufficed, where expert after expert had put content stating positive reasons to stay in the EU.

Your statement makes no sense so it must be disingenuous. You wanted to be convinced so were poised hoping and expecting David Cameron to make a statement or argument that magically did not exist anywhere else.

Or it makes sense and is true if you are the sort of person who does not realise that a massive amount of information and expert opinion exists outside of lol public debate.

Your basically admitting to being part of the hoard that receives their ideas and opinions from mass medja.

Its no revelation though, we knew that already.

Lets play this game for the 10000000th time.

Examples of bolded, emphasis on "so many".

The positive campaign thing is nonsense because people rephrased all the positives to negatives.

Farm subsidies? Project Fear your farm subsidies will be taken away.
Trade integration? Project Fear economy is going to slow down and manufacturing jobs disappear

One of remain campaign’s problems is that UK is currently enjoying the benefits of EU so whenever you talk about benefits of EU it will always turn into something like: “if you vote Brexit, you will lose xxxx.”

Can I confirm what is happening: there will be a vote in parliament on May's Brexit deal. If MPs don't back the deal, the UK crashes out of EU on March 29 with no deal. If MPs back the deal, the UK leaves the EU by May 22/May 27 (not sure of exact date but some time in late May).

People say UK might leave on June 30 or they might take even longer than that. How is this possible when Macron made it clear what would happen?

It's May 22, but if the deal doesn't get voted through the EU have left it till April 12th for UK to crash out, to give the anti-democratic forces a bit more time to try to stop it.

lol at remainers explaining why they didn't win cos there's no positive spin they can make

bitter, out of morbid fascination, how old are you and what is your line of work?

Why are folks calling db racist? Is it because all Leavers must be racist or has he posted racist stuff?

I wonder why?

Wouldn't have anything to do with him being an anti immigrant, little english xenophobic racist piece of **** would it?

Maybe he's getting called out because it's not about immigration at all for him, except for those times he lets it slip.

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