Lol at that poll. May now is really wishing she didnt spend months gaslighting people into thinking no deal was better than a bad deal.

This can never be repeated enough. The current backstop was our idea to meet our own red lines.

If we just accepted the original backstop, which makes everyone happy except the Irish Taliban, then Mays deal was probably voted through months ago.

Lol zerohedge.

And yeah, they were never offering a short extension for May to keep bringing up the same ****ing deal over and over. Even Europe is sick of this bull**** tactic.

They will give an extension to anything of substance.

Not long now.



The remoaner meltdowns are gonna be even sweeter.

Speaking of Farage. his new 'not as bad as ukip' party needs a new leader.

https://www.politico.eu/article/lead...slam-messages/

That's alright. If we get robbed we want Nigel taking over anyway. He wants to go after the masses of Labour/Tory voting brexiteers not the two dozen people in the EDL. It was nice of her to help set it up though.

just like with all things brexit, as we lurch from farce to farce brexiteers continue to insist that the latest debacle is exactly what they’ve wanted all along.

If you mean coming to either May's deal or no deal, yep, I'm good with that.

Agree this is very good. Makes a few points worth emphasising: There is a majority in Parliament for leaving the EU, just not on the terms she has negotiated; the main reason May can't force her deal through Parliament is she lost her majority in a General Election that she called in an attempt to shore up power.

She's now claiming that Parliament's will is either irrelevant or illegitimate. It looks like she'll get smacked down now as her speech last night is more likely to strengthen the resolve of her opponents at a time when even if she flips the ERG and the DUP she still needs to convert around 50 more MPs. The question is, when she presents MV3 on the 28th and loses, does she finally crack and revoke A50 to avoid no deal? I suspect it's more likely she just lets us crash out without a deal, resigns and lets someone else pick up the pieces.

Fingers crossed for a maximum told you so brexit.

Counting down the days till sootpower and dong are blaming everything on Soros.

Article is extremely shallow imo.

One of the main problems May has faced is a significant leavetard lobby in Parliament who have basically made demands that are absolutely divorced from the reality of the situation and this lobbies inability to comprehend that there is a counter party in these negotiations that holds the whip hand. Many have had absolute cognitive dissonance, simply thinking that if UK asks for X it will simply get X.

Being told to go and renegotiate the back stop for example, she was sent off as though this was a realistic prospect, despite EU saying several times, lol no not happening.

She met the EU and 100% obviously and predictably got nothing, so all Parliament did was waste everyone's time. That she was directed to do this told you everything you needed to know about much of Parliaments perspectives.

Now the knuckle dragging leave tard element in Parliament and there analogues in the population such as soootedpoo want to blame the EU not jumping to our tune, which is what should happen in the fantasy world they inhabit.

Obviously there are numerous trajectories May could have handled better or differently, and she when appropriate should be criticised for such, but the article above completely sweeps away that May has had to deal with a significant cohort of emotionally symbolic sub rational anti intellectual fantasists in Parliament.

There is some agreement. Some think the end of March is bad, some don't like the end of June. But everyone wants the end of May

I could’ve sworn you were here a few weeks ago saying that Norway plus plus plus was what you’d been arguing for from the start?

I'd be fine with that too if it were available now, but not in a year or two's time...

Anything that gets us as leaving as soon as possible really.

The possibility of betrayal of democracy by revoking article 50 needs to be removed ASAP so we can move on from this farce.

Do you agree if we had another referendum and the people voted to remain that is not a betrayal of democracy?

Looking forwards to hearing how democracy is undemocratic.

It is probably not a betrayal of democracy, more like it highlights a weakness of democracy in which, as we have it configured, the political class generally have the mechanisms and propaganda channels to ignore the public and find ways to continue their business as usual.

It's like if we had world-level representation. It wouldn't be very representative of anyone. That's a weakness in large scale democracy, but it is not betrayed.

Much as I hate to provide leavers ammunition, this EU Copyright Directive / Article 11 / Article 13 nonsense is an example of a potential horrible EU law. Of course it remains to be seen if it will pass or not, but despite years of protest it doesn't seem to be going away. Just today, four of the wikipedia languages are blacking out in protest - German, Czech, Danish, and Slovak. https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019...ght-directive/

It would in my opinion be far better to be part of the EU and use our veto to block it, but we won't - and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is a tory idea anyhow and we get our own even worse version if we leave.

I am strongly remain, but should this article 13 pass I will feel a little better about leaving.

If we never got another referendum in EU again within say a decade, it would be.

I'd prefer we had a referendum on EU membership every 5 -7 years, whether we are in it or out of it

This is a fair point. The ease with which the Brexit campaign distorted, lied and over stated their way to victory should never be allowed to happen again in a modern democracy.

Do you feel the same about remainer lies?

"We have absolutely no intention of doubling VAT." I can still recall Howe uttering those words in 1979. Yeah well I suppose it wasn't technically a lie.

They're politicians ffs. Democracy has to include dealing with lies - it's part of the worst possible system apart from all the others.

ones turning out to be a lot closer to the truth than the other.

And one didnt break the law...Why is everyone so cool with people breaking law for their political advantage? Sick democracy we got here.

You mean the remainer stuff, I take it?
Which remainer lies are becoming more true then?


The one about recession?
The one about growth in unemployment?

Which of those has become more true?

reply to the second part how youre fine with people breaking the law for political gain because it suits you...then we can carry on.

They should be punished for illegal actions, like anyone breaking the law


I don't mind you avoiding answring, im sure it has dawned on you talking about remainer lies becoming truth is actually not happening

Why argue when you know you are wrong?