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03-20-2019 , 12:28 PM

#15401

SootedPowa

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,337

From Pestons twitter...

A short extension will be possible conditional on a positive vote in House of Commons” says @eucopresident. So Brexit delay requires MPs to back PM’s deal at third attempt

Labour now faces choice between backing May’s deal and no deal.

But isn't MV3 ruled out unless it's substantially different?

03-20-2019 , 12:39 PM

#15402

Hoopie1

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26,080

Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Nothing has majority support right now and since no deal is the default that is looking like the most likely outcome.

The betting markets say otherwise.

03-20-2019 , 12:41 PM

#15403

Husker

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 12,886

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf

How much more likely do you guys think a UK break-up would be if there is a no-deal Brexit?

Wouldn't be anymore likely imo, for various reasons.

03-20-2019 , 01:08 PM

#15404

wikibg

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Husker

Wouldn't be anymore likely imo, for various reasons.

I think so too. Wouldn't want to live in NI though...

03-20-2019 , 03:29 PM

#15405

jalfrezi

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 12,360

The influx of Americans telling us all about it is a welcome addition to the nonsense in this thread.

03-20-2019 , 03:30 PM

#15406

jalfrezi

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 12,360

Quote:

Originally Posted by SootedPowa

Yes it is.

03-20-2019 , 03:31 PM

#15407

synth_floyd

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,074

No.

They need a majority to change the rules to allow another vote. So if they have a majority to pass her deal, they will have a majority to change the rules.

Unless there are some MPs who would vote for her deal but before that would vote against having an opportunity to vote for it??

03-20-2019 , 03:32 PM

#15408

medgar

adept

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 857

Will make sod all difference obv but still kinda cathartic watching it tick up https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

03-20-2019 , 03:37 PM

#15409

delfins

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 388

wow, i was expecting EU to allow kicking brexit can down road.

03-20-2019 , 03:47 PM

#15410

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 74,754

Quote:

Originally Posted by delfins

wow, i was expecting EU to allow kicking brexit can down road.

They will, it's just a case of whether we get out before the elections or wait until the one surviving Chuckle Brother wins a landslide victory in Yorkshire

03-20-2019 , 04:04 PM

#15411

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,890

Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

It's quite possible that sufficient change will be made to the motion to allow another vote.

03-20-2019 , 04:06 PM

#15412

PartyGirlUK

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Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23,530

AFAIK changing the departure date would count as sufficient change alone.

03-20-2019 , 04:13 PM

#15413

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,890

I suspect so.

People are also reading too much into the EU's response imo. Thy have only agreed this extension request if the withdrawal deal goes through but that in no way implies they wont consider other extension requests if it becomes necessary and they make sense.

03-20-2019 , 04:30 PM

#15414

_dave_

_Pooh_Bah_

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

Quote:

Originally Posted by medgar

Will make sod all difference obv but still kinda cathartic watching it tick up https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Should break the 100k any minute now

03-20-2019 , 04:36 PM

#15415

Alexdb

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 618

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dave_

Should break the 100k any minute now

I guess let us know when it gets to 17m.

03-20-2019 , 04:43 PM

#15416

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 74,754

That was it?

03-20-2019 , 04:44 PM

#15417

chezlaw

Limey Bastard

Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46,890

Quote:

Originally Posted by medgar

Will make sod all difference obv but still kinda cathartic watching it tick up https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

The more talk of revocation, the more a 2nd referendum become the sensible compromise.

03-20-2019 , 04:49 PM

#15418

SootedPowa

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,337

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixfour

That was it?

Spoiler:

03-20-2019 , 04:50 PM

#15419

wikibg

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 153

So, predictably, she says
1) My deal on 23 may / 30 june
2) No deal on 29 march
(I think she wrote that speech during the delay.)

No deal it is.

Last edited by wikibg; 03-20-2019 at 04:58 PM.

03-20-2019 , 05:09 PM

#15420

JacktheDumb

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,427

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Good luck with that, last time the UK´s requests made sense was a while ago.

03-20-2019 , 05:15 PM

#15421

SootedPowa

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 3,337

The difficulty in getting all the member states to even agree a short extension should show how impossible it will be to get out of the backstop.

03-20-2019 , 05:27 PM

#15422

JacktheDumb

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,427

Quote:

Originally Posted by SootedPowa

The difficulty in getting all the member states to even agree a short extension should show how impossible it will be to get out of the backstop.

So what you are telling us; is the difficulty to get the EU to an agreement that allows the UK to stay (Because we want UK out) shows how difficult it would be to get an agreement on letting the UK go?

03-20-2019 , 05:33 PM

#15423

SootedPowa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JacktheDumb

When you have control over a foreign entity (as the EU will over a UK in the backstop) and you can control their taxes tarriffs and laws, as well as dividing their country up into separate areas, why would you give that power up? You only would for a heavy price.

If what you said was true then thats fine, an exit mechanism to the backstop and the deal would pass. but funnily enough the EU wont do that.

03-20-2019 , 05:42 PM

#15424

plexiq

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,554

When you imply that the EU is deviously trying to trap the UK, let's not forget that the current backstop version is due to UK demands. In the original proposal only NI was in and the rest of the UK was outside the customs union, w/ the regulatory border in the Irish Sea.