May has a clear path to get her deal through now tho. Run down the clock behind the excuse Bercow wants the impossible, MPs start bricking it about a no deal, do an amendment to ignore Bercow (or does he get a veto on such things?), then get to vote on her deal again as is. If it doesn't pass again, then no deal it is.

Labour will have to make up the numbers, else they'll be tarred with the blame by the press if no deal happens.


One thing that is clear is that this whole 'speaker' thing puts way too much power into one person's hands. That should change (but it almost certainly wont)


The next 10 days are going to be mental.

Hold on, I'm detecting a deeper conspiracy here... is this Erskine May a relative of Theresa May?!!!!?!!

Brexitards for the last 2.5 years: You lost, get over it

Brexitards for the last 12 hours: We demand a third meaningful vote

Even more galling about Brexitards hypocrisy is that the referendum was advisory not legally binding, unlike HoC votes (subject to HoL).

Shows how much respect for democracy and rule of law these turds really have.

Listening to Dominic Grieve on newsnight last night it was clear that the house could vote to suspend the rule that Bercow is using. Providing they can win the vote of course.

If we could have no deal vs no brexit on the ballot, i'd take a 2nd ref right now.

Lmao you don't want checks and balances against the power of number 10? So parliament can just be gridlocked forever with the same failed bill being brought out for a vote until they eventually agree. This is the democracy you want?

Labour and remain already won. Its over. Parliament had made clear they won't accept no deal.

Leavers only out was the May deal. They overplayed their position for marginal gains around the edges and have now lost everything.

Either we get a renegotiated super soft deal (Norway with extra steps) under a remainer Labour PM (Corbyn is close to falling on his sword anyway) which the people get to vote on at the end, or, we get a new referendum now which remain wins.

There is no outcome now without a second referendum. It is just timing now.

The only problem with this is that it wasn't made clear before the referendum that it was only advisory. Cameron said the result would be honoured.

I voted Remain and want a 2nd referendum with the option to remain and see this was the only way we can now stay in the EU.

It is almost inconceivable we can remain without a 2nd referendum. A very clear GE mandate could do it as well but that seems unlikely.

Why Phill is certain it's a done deal is beyond me. We have a long way to go yet. Not least in that we have to get that referendum and then we have to win it. And May isn't dead yet.

There is no such guarantee.

If EU does not grant an extension, and there are no further votes in Parliament we leave on March 29th with no deal.

No deal on 29th is currently the trajectory.

The no deal vote in parliament did nothing to change that, all it did was stop no deal from becoming the fixed position.

Yes this is very highly likely to change, but given how much dynamic and fluid the situation has been, where we end up is far from guaranteed.

Pffft pipe dreams we will remain

Yeah I really don't see remain happening. The British aristocracy still have the charge of the light brigade ethos we'll do this damn foolish thing by jove even though its a stupid and pointless death. Plus there are too many powerful people (Mr Banks et al) who are getting rich off the collapse of Britain and will get richer off the rebuild. Especially if they get their way in regards to a low regulation low tax no welfare state no nhs ecomony.

The Speaker is subject to the instructions of the House. If there is a majority for MV3, then they can have one. Maybot does not just get to ram it down people's throats, however.

LOL BREXIT.

I am absolutely shocked at the way the Government are using the BBC and the newspapers to whip up hate against Bercow and put false spin on what he did. The front pages are truly hilarious - they seem to rest on the fanciful idea that May’s Brexit deal was sailing through before Bercow got involved. After all, it had only suffered the biggest and fourth biggest defeats in parliamentary history. Utterly bizarre.

They are trying to peddle the nonsense that he is "stopping brexit". He is doing nothing of the sort. The Brexit horse has bolted, nobody can stop it now. Anybody who tries will be voted out at the next election and a Brexit party will sweep many seats up. The accusation he is "stopping brexit" is dreamed up by the government to try and get Theresa May's deal rammed home. That would mean a foreign entity dividing up the United Kingdom and dictating taxes and laws to us which we would have no choice but to take, until they decided to let us leave . That is not brexit and it is not the future of a prosperous and free United Kingdom. Stopping a third vote was the correct thing to do. It has lost twice by historic margins.

I am ashamed of the BBC to see it pushing the agenda that Bercow has "stopped brexit" in order to whip up feeling against him. Utter crap, and it must have been ordered from the top. He has done those of us who want to leave properly (like me) all a favour, as well everyone else.

There was no impartial journalism on the BBC this morning. It was tantamount to a paparazzi attack, and very clearly fully loaded - no impartiality at all, infact hounding him, getting in his way and stating he had stopped Brexit and how would he respond to the population for getting in the way.

Yep.



Absolutely disgusting.

by the way did i ****ing call this or what?

Oh my...

Harassment of the Speaker of the House in the street because he made a ruling the PM and and therefore the BBC's political editor didn’t like?

The betting markets go crazy the closer you get to crunch time. On election day Trump shot up to a 15/1 shot on Betfair and Brexit was about a 9/1 shot.

I'm sorry to say that's on Leavers for not doing their research into referendums and for not reading politicians better.

It is and always has been a power struggle between the forces you cite and the mass of politicians and civil servants who want to remain.

That's correct. Parliament is sovereign and the House can do anything (the whole point is that the government represents the royal power and the House, just as in the 1640s, is there to put a check on that), so they could vote to suspend the rule, but this would imply that the Prime Minister had a majority, and at present she doesn't seem to have one.

I seriously doubt it's going to arise* but if May has a majority for her bill then that majority might well also vote to disapply the standard rule to the withdrawal bill. It might also be difficult for some other MPs to be seen to be obstructing brexit so they might also allow a vote even if they intend to oppose the bill.

*not least because if May really wants to bring it back and has any chance of it passing (she's flipped the dup etc) then a change that satisfies bercow is far more likely

It's kind of pointless for Bercow to bother with this. If they had a majority to pass it, it would pass. And people blaming him are just being silly.