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Old 03-14-2019, 03:57 PM   #15276
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Re: Brexit Referendum

So May is going to keep putting this deal up for a vote until the desired result is achieved. Diebitter must be livid, he hates that sort of thing!
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:02 PM   #15277
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Not more so than usual.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:28 PM   #15278
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This was quite funny as well.

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Old 03-14-2019, 04:56 PM   #15279
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Bit concerned that Putin might bung a small EU27 country PM to veto the delay.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:59 PM   #15280
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"I got that beat... I got that beat..."

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Old 03-14-2019, 05:01 PM   #15281
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I fully expect the delay to be vetoed now. Then May's deal goes back for a 4th vote on or around the 29th and passes.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:06 PM   #15282
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:08 PM   #15283
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The mother of all ________

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Old 03-14-2019, 05:34 PM   #15284
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Re: Brexit Referendum

Funny thing is that if you wanted to get your deal everyone hates or even if they are fine with it have infinity+1 agendas that are fufilled by voting against it, over the line, the route so far would seem pretty optimal.

Think we are here by accident more than elite gg May.
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:03 PM   #15285
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LOL Clive Lewis using 'Final Say' for a second referendum on Question Time

Obviously, it will only be final if Remain wins.
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:23 PM   #15286
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LOL Clive Lewis using 'Final Say' for a second referendum on Question Time

Obviously, it will only be final if Remain wins.
Like eurosceptics would have shut up if they'd lost the first one
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:34 PM   #15287
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:52 PM   #15288
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Bit concerned that Putin might bung a small EU27 country PM to veto the delay.
The one line unifying the 27 is that Britain must retain blame for brexit outcomes. Any deviation will be punished overtly or covertly in the future. For example when the bailouts occur in the resulting deep recession.

This is why they have given us everything they could have possibly given us under the rules based structure of the EU. They negotiated with us to the best possible outcome given the parameters and restrictions we imposed on ourselves.

The best example of this is the future liabilities. That 39 billion should be closer to 50 billion. They didn't press us for our full amount owed because their one line is to ensure blame falls mostly towards us and away from them. They gave us a very good discount on what we owe them to keep their high ground.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:01 PM   #15289
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I agree with I think, part of your point, that the EU has far more to lose from the blame game than anybody else. but the EU has genuinely minimal interest in playing the 'blame game or trying to punish the UK. The reason they have behaved reasonably is because they are reasonable.

Any request for an extension will also be treated reasonably. That means they will want it to make sense and serve some purpose.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:11 PM   #15290
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I fully expect the delay to be vetoed now. Then May's deal goes back for a 4th vote on or around the 29th and passes.
A formal veto (if you mean by the EU) is very unlikely. More likely is that there will be an 'extension agreement' and the commons will get a 4th go at May's agreement in the light of the 'extension agreement'.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:11 PM   #15291
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So May is going to keep putting this deal up for a vote until the desired result is achieved.
They'll vote multiple times on the deal but only allow one for Brexit.

Hypocrisy and conservatives go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:58 AM   #15292
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The best example of this is the future liabilities. That 39 billion should be closer to 50 billion. They didn't press us for our full amount owed because their one line is to ensure blame falls mostly towards us and away from them. They gave us a very good discount on what we owe them to keep their high ground.
Where do you get this 50 billion figure from? I thought it was over 70 billion.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:37 AM   #15293
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:58 AM   #15294
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Where do you get this 50 billion figure from? I thought it was over 70 billion.
No idea, I read it somewhere. It could be north of that, sure.

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I agree with I think, part of your point, that the EU has far more to lose from the blame game than anybody else. but the EU has genuinely minimal interest in playing the 'blame game or trying to punish the UK. The reason they have behaved reasonably is because they are reasonable.

Any request for an extension will also be treated reasonably. That means they will want it to make sense and serve some purpose.
I dont think an overall position of being reasonable and also cynically going along with that to avoid blame is mutually exclusive.

I dont pretend to know the internal politics of the 27 and the various strings they pull on the EU itself. But I doubt everyone involved in this united front are doing so for the same reasons just by human nature.
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:50 AM   #15295
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You are referring to a process in which stakeholders shouted out numbers they would like to be paid, as though one of those numbers was somehow the 'real' figure!
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:12 AM   #15296
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LOL Clive Lewis using 'Final Say' for a second referendum on Question Time

Obviously, it will only be final if Remain wins.
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Like eurosceptics would have shut up if they'd lost the first one
Indeed. What was Farage's quote about a 52:48 result again?
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Old 03-15-2019, 10:27 AM   #15297
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Indeed. What was Farage's quote about a 52:48 result again?
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Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win

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Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:07 PM   #15298
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At last a wee bit of good news.

Pro-Brexit Wetherspoon boss Tim Martin attacks Remainers after pub chain's profits plummet
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:32 AM   #15299
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Old 03-16-2019, 09:58 AM   #15300
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Nick Boles: Tory MP quits local party over Brexit

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Tory MP Nick Boles is resigning from his local Conservative association after clashing with them over Brexit.

Mr Boles, who wants to remain as MP for Grantham and Stamford, has spoken out about leaving the EU with no deal.

Local activists had wanted to deselect him as their candidate in the next general election because of his stance.

In his letter, seen by the BBC, he said he was resigning with immediate effect and that a "division had opened up" between him and the local association.

He wrote: "I regret that my relationship with you should end in this way. But a politician without principles is worthless.

"I am in no doubt about my duty, which is to be true to my convictions and to dedicate the rest of my time in Parliament to the best interests of the people I was elected to serve."

Mr Boles said he wanted to continue to "take the Conservative whip" at Westminster if it is offered "on acceptable terms" - meaning he would still vote with the party.

Councillor Martin Hill, vice president of the Grantham and Stamford Conservative Association, told members they had been "betrayed by their parliamentary representative" and called on him to take the "honourable course" and quit as an MP.

He wrote: "As you are all aware, Nick has been at odds with the local party and the prime minister for some time, so this announcement does not come as a complete surprise, but the timing does leave a lot to be desired."

He said the process of selecting a new candidate would start at the group's AGM later this month.

Chief Whip Julian Smith said Mr Boles was a "valued member of the Conservative parliamentary party which I hope will continue to benefit from his ideas and drive".

His announcement comes after a busy week in Westminster, when MPs voted to seek a delay to the UK's departure from the EU, due to take place on 29 March.

The third "meaningful vote" on Prime Minister Theresa May's deal is expected to take place next week. If it is agreed, she has promised to seek a short extension to the departure date. But if it doesn't gain support, she has warned a longer extension may be needed - and the UK might have to take part in European elections.
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