Man good job labour didn't win otherwise it'd be total chaos. May promising a free vote then 3 line whipping against her own motion. What a cluster****.

nah, May lost the Labour amendment by 4 on a free vote, then suddenly decided to implement a 3-line whip AGAINST her own motion as amended, and that's when the cabinet revolted and she lost by 43.

And still the likeliest outcome is she puts her failed deal back for a 3rd vote. WATTBA

Maybe it'll only lose by 100 next time

One of the whips gets to keep his job despite ignoring his own whip. Lolz.

The judge explicitly said revoking A50 can't be done as just a delaying or negotiating tactic so the above is not true. Although not sure how that distinction can be enforced and if the EU would enforce it.

I mean, I can understand May's frustration at presenting a deal to parliament, who then reject it by a massive margin but then vote to reject leaving without a deal. It's a ridiculously inconsistent position! At least she's offering something tangible.

The problem is of course that her deal is bollocks. It still requires us to leave the EU, so the remainers won't vote for it as they know our economy will take a massive hit the second we actually leave, but it also doesn't cut ties sufficiently for the foaming-at-the-mouth brexitards who want chaos. There's no possible deal that simultaneously meets all the Brexiteer demands and maintains any sort of possible trading relationship with the EU, without which the economy doesn't just take a hit, it disappears up its own arse. So the only possible solutions are:
- Say **** it, it's this deal or no deal but either way we're leaving. In which case we leave with no deal in 2 weeks.
- Say **** it, there's obviously no way even a semi-sensible deal passes the house and only a lunatic would want to leave without any deal at all so let's just revoke A50
- Have one last shot at passing the hated deal with the alternative being that we revoke A50. This might drag Rees-Mogg and his band of working class heroes onto the May side and get the deal over the line. This is the likeliest outcome now imo, but I wouldn't blame May if she chose either of the **** it options and I give her some credit for not having already given up.

Is that right?

My understanding is that we can revoke A50 ourselves ... it's extending it that requires the 27 other EU members to agree and they would require reasons for the extension.

Wherever you you read that, you read it wrong. We can withdraw article 50 at any time for any reason.

The ECJ did state it had to be done with good faith. A minority of neo nazis working against the express will of Britain would be enough to pass that bar given the A50 process is a national not international process.

This is my understanding of the legal advice too.

UK can revoke unilaterally, but not as a negotiation device to just re-trigger A50 again and essentially extend the negotiation time. Revoking A50 means leaving needs to be off the table for the foreseeable future.

Extensions for further negotiations need to be agreed unanimously.

''The EU’s top court has ruled the UK can revoke Article 50 and halt Brexit without the permission of other member states.

A judgement by the European Court of Justice (ECJ) on Monday gives the UK the right to unilaterally withdraw its notification to leave the EU.''

https://news.sky.com/story/european-...rexit-11576865

We can revoke A50 any time. We can invoke A50 any time. We just need two back to back votes in parliament to do so.

Everything else is window dressing at most.

There is even a legal opinion that we can unilaterally extend the A50 period. But that is untested law unlikely to hold up due to the implications.

Ok, so let's get this right:

1, May's deal is dead
2, We can't leave without a deal
3, Tomorrow they will vote if we can extend

So either they vote yes and we extend by a long time because the EU has been clear they have finished negotiating the May deal, or they vote no and we have to withdraw article 50. May is now hands tied to do that by logic and reason.

Or she will goto run and put plan A up for a vote again.

bolded is what happens, book it

Amazing.

We sure dodged a bullet by opting for strong and stable leadership rather than chaos under Ed Milliband

Can you cite this please as everything I have read says this is not true.

Most if not all sources I have said state that if we get to March 29 and there is no deal, and no extension has been agreed then we still leave with no deal/Or revoke A50.

Also even if we could unilaterally extend A50 its not a given that the Government would once EU rejected our appeal to extend.

If we can do it unilaterally why again is every source claiming that any extension must be agreed by the HoS?

The vote today was not legislatively binding, it was just an expression of "Parliaments will." It has no ramifications beyond that in terms of forcing the governments hand in anyway.

Extending Yes - Cancelling No

As for cancelling and then immediately invoking again to supposedly creating our own "2 year extension" - I'd imagine the EU would see that as massive bad faith and we would lose any goodwill that may still exist.

If a Tory government has to choose between ignoring the referendum result or ignoring tonight's non binding vote, they will obviously choose to ignore Parliament.

Unilaterally cancelling A50 would destroy the tory party as a party that can gather in the same church.

Sounds like it was a total ****show tonight.

Someone reputable (David Allen Green?) said you can't withdraw just to immediately reinvoke A50.

WTF is wrong with this dude?

He was in dad's army by the look of him. Still thinks the germans don't like it up em.

That thread was a fun read

Couple of others that came up when looking around...







What a cretin

It's pretty unlikely but there might be a scenario in which the majority of the EU is minded to provide an extension (say in order for indyref 2 to take place) but that the unanimity needed is undermined in some way. In such a case the UK 'abusing' its Article 50 powers might not be viewed too harshly.