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Never in my lifetime has there been such an incompetent prime minister as Theresa May. Shocking it has taken this long to challenge her. We have been damaged in the last 18 months as a country.

David Davis no doubt having a lol to himself this morning.

Makes Brown look like Machiavelli

12-12-2018 , 05:04 AM

#12878

diebitter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SootedPowa

The thing is she's been basically lying (though i think shes self-deluded enough not to know that) right from the Lancaster Speech onwards. And her lies about it being a good deal only became apparent when the deal was finally made a few weeks back.

It just took parliament few weeks to catch up with the rest of us.

12-12-2018 , 05:05 AM

#12879

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Elrazor

I think there is a very decent chance May survives the vote. Will be interesting what the betting lines are.

Her winning the vote of confidence seems a significant favourite to me.

Then it's hard to imagine her going even if it's close but you never know.

12-12-2018 , 05:06 AM

#12880

SootedPowa

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

I think there is a very decent chance May survives the vote. Will be interesting what the betting lines are.

There are a lot of different markets but i just had £100 on her not being leader of the Conservative Party by the end of 2018 @ 2/1 (smarkets)

If this is gonna clash with the football tonight might as well have a bet

https://smarkets.com/event/829239/po...market=6258493

12-12-2018 , 05:11 AM

#12881

O.A.F.K.1.1

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May has done a good a job as could have been expected of being given a mandate to **** up the country and then try and mitigate the ****ing up as much as possible.

12-12-2018 , 05:13 AM

#12882

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SootedPowa

There are a lot of different markets but i just had £100 on her not being leader of the Conservative Party by the end of 2018 @ 2/1 (smarkets)

If this is gonna clash with the football tonight might as well have a bet

https://smarkets.com/event/829239/po...market=6258493

The football was last night

12-12-2018 , 05:14 AM

#12883

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Quote:

Dover checks ‘would take eight hours per lorry’ in no-deal Brexit

Quote:

Government plans for customs checks at Dover in a no-deal scenario are so impractical it would take eight hours to clear an average lorry carrying food and goods from Calais, the Road Haulage Association has warned.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

No deal will be such a cluster ****, those that advocate it can be instantly dismissed as brainless mindless fools. We could end up with one of these fools as Prime Minister.

12-12-2018 , 05:14 AM

#12884

SootedPowa

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

May has done a good a job as could have been expected

Found in contempt of parliament for the first time in our history.

12-12-2018 , 05:18 AM

#12885

SootedPowa

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Sadly she is a big favourite to survive this vote according to betfair

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plu...et/1.152437591

Theresa May Win currently 1.4
Theresa May Lose currently 3.4

12-12-2018 , 05:18 AM

#12886

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

May has done a good a job as could have been expected of being given a mandate to **** up the country and then try and mitigate the ****ing up as much as possible.

Something we agree on. An extraordinary job of political juggling as well and despite the oohs and ahs of the crowd, the balls haven't hit the ground yet.

Only want her to fail because I want to remain. I never thought anyone could get as far as she has.

12-12-2018 , 05:20 AM

#12887

O.A.F.K.1.1

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Originally Posted by Elrazor

The only direction of travel for the EU is ever closer union. They could quell the rise of far-right populism across Europe by changing Freedom of Movement to Freedom of Movement for Labour. How many people would object to this, aside from the most ardent Europhiles?

All the EU are effectively doing with their narrow-political idealistic crusade is fueling the rise of the far-right across Europe. Prolly not going to end well for anyone, that.

The freedom of movement is often lazily assumed to be absolute. Its not.

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During the first 3 months of your stay in your new country, as EU national, you cannot be required to apply for a residence document confirming your right to live there - although in some countries you may have to report your presence upon arrival.

After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register your residence with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station), and to be issued with a registration certificate.

You will need a valid identity card or passport and:

Employees / Postings abroad:

Certificate of employment or confirmation of recruitment from your employer

Self-employed:

Proof of your status as self-employed

Pensioners

Proof of comprehensive health insurance

Proof you can support yourself without needing income support: resources may come from any source

Students

Proof of enrolment at an approved educational establishment
Proof of comprehensive health insurance

Declaration that you have sufficient resources to support yourself without needing income support: resources may come from any source

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...e/index_en.htm

So the actual implementation is very close to freedom of Labour, its closer to FOL than complete freedom of movement. Any country has the right to make sure non students and pensioners can only register for residence if working.

12-12-2018 , 05:23 AM

#12888

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Originally Posted by SootedPowa

https://smarkets.com/event/829239/po...market=6258493

For this to happen she would need to resign. If she loses he vote she remains Pm till a successor is found. Last one took almost 2 months - probably wrap it up in a month tho this time

12-12-2018 , 05:24 AM

#12889

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Originally Posted by SootedPowa

Found in contempt of parliament for the first time in our history.

Largely irrelevant. Anyone asked to square the circle she has been given would have ended up in similar straights.

Their is no way to competently implement the absurd.

12-12-2018 , 05:36 AM

#12890

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BlueWillow

For this to happen she would need to resign. If she loses he vote she remains Pm till a successor is found. Last one took almost 2 months - probably wrap it up in a month tho this time

yeah, don't like that bet.

Even if she announces her resignation tonight, she is still likely to be PM till next year when a successor is chosen.

12-12-2018 , 05:38 AM

#12891

diebitter

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She's either a lying hound or self deluded.

Neither good in a leader.

12-12-2018 , 05:40 AM

#12892

Elrazor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

May has done a good a job as could have been expected of being given a mandate to **** up the country and then try and mitigate the ****ing up as much as possible.

Agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

The freedom of movement is often lazily assumed to be absolute. Its not.

It's a fair point, but enforcing the rules is obviously a different kettle of fish to having the rules.

12-12-2018 , 05:44 AM

#12893

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Originally Posted by diebitter

She's either a lying hound or self deluded.

Neither good in a leader.

You must be new here.

Let me fill you in about about politicians.

12-12-2018 , 05:48 AM

#12894

O.A.F.K.1.1

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If May loses, surely this makes No Deal more likely?

The only way forward without being involved in the constant contradictions we have now seems to have a leader who believes the ****ing up does not need to be mitigated so they can just go to Brussels, look at a mitigating deal, (that never gets passed) and then just tell them to shove it where the sun dont shine.

I think a Brexitard leader can get that done without collapsing the government which would be the only chance of a second referendum/remain.

12-12-2018 , 05:52 AM

#12895

BlueWillow

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

The plan from the brexit bunch is simply to run down the clock, they know Labour will do nothing as it benefits them politically for it all to go to ****. They are happy for it to go to **** as it will benefit them financially.

Quite the situation we find ourselves in. I'm started stock piling pasta, tinned peaches and poncho's for barter.

12-12-2018 , 06:00 AM

#12896

chezlaw

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Maybe but there's enough tories totally opposed to the cliff edge to stop parliament just doing nothing.

some sort of managed no deal becomes more likely if a harder brexiter replaces may.

12-12-2018 , 06:04 AM

#12897

BlueWillow

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Maybe but there's enough tories totally opposed to the cliff edge to stop parliament just doing nothing.

some sort of managed no deal becomes more likely if a harder brexiter replaces may.

Don't think you know how leadership challenges really work tbh.

If she loses - then there is an private members vote by CP membership, a paid group.

It will be the antithesis of democracy.

12-12-2018 , 06:07 AM

#12898

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by BlueWillow

Don't think you know how leadership challenges really work tbh.

If she loses - then there is an private members vote by CP membership, a paid group.

It will be the antithesis of democracy.

? it's nothing to with the leadership challenge. We're assuming she has been replaced and the impact of that on an a no deal

It doesn't change the arithmetic in parliament.

I think Oaf is right that some new tory leader might pcik a fight with the EU. While she's still about I'd like to give huge credit to may for not doing that.

12-12-2018 , 06:18 AM

#12899

SootedPowa

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I think Oaf is right that some new tory leader might pcik a fight with the EU. While she's still about I'd like to give huge credit to may for not doing that.

We need someone with the cojones to stand up for the people of the UK.

Agreeing to this backstop and the debacle that is Northern Ireland being treated differently to the rest of the UK (a "third country") are things nobody in their right mind would sign us up to.