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Parliamentary carnage was always a prerequisite for the 2nd referendum. The dangers are huge but have to be faced. This is a very good day so far for remain.

Long long way to go.

12-10-2018 , 10:15 AM

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12-10-2018 , 10:17 AM

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Yes, it's been established for a while that in heads up remain is crushing deal, but what could matter is how remain fares against no deal.

12-10-2018 , 10:21 AM

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diebitter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Parliamentary carnage was always a prerequisite for the 2nd referendum. The dangers are huge but have to be faced. This is a very good day so far for remain.

Long long way to go.

Good day for no deal too imo.

I know which side has the moral high ground.

So....

Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.

12-10-2018 , 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Yes, it's been established for a while that in heads up remain is crushing deal, but what could matter is how remain fares against no deal.

Yep, the only rational binary choice on the paper.

No deal vs remain.

Bring it on, remainers have gamed the majority long enough by exploiting democratic process to overturn democracy, and need a proper slapdown.

And even if remain win, they won't win in the end. And you guys know it, don't you.

12-10-2018 , 10:31 AM

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Yes, it's been established for a while that in heads up remain is crushing deal, but what could matter is how remain fares against no deal.

From Yougov poll at the beginning of the month.

12-10-2018 , 10:38 AM

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diebitter

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So same stats roughly as the day before the actual referendum.

Lovely.

12-10-2018 , 10:40 AM

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SiMor29

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Db is oddly cocky today given that his government is getting a ****ing spanking and remain is ahead of no deal in most polls I’ve seen. Unless he means some weird right wing nazi violent type ‘loss’. In that case, lol.

12-10-2018 , 10:41 AM

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SiMor29

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His nervous laughter is palpable in fact.

12-10-2018 , 10:42 AM

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On the contrary this is likely your last chance to secure an exit from the EU. People's concerns about immigration are being allayed by falling numbers, and with each day that passes more leave supporters are dying off and are being replaced with 18 year old remainers.

12-10-2018 , 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalfrezi

Yes, it's been established for a while that in heads up remain is crushing deal, but what could matter is how remain fares against no deal.

Yeah absolutely. May's deal is the nut worst. Both fully remain and exit w no deal are massively better in the long run.

12-10-2018 , 10:55 AM

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You people really don't understand cause and effect.

How do you think the EU will view the UK in the medium and long term if we 'remain'?

How do you think the large percentage who wanted to leave will react with each bad decision the EU makes?

Just think about it, and you may understand why someone like me, who has zero faith or investment in the EU project on its current path to federalisation, feels everything is working out just fine.

12-10-2018 , 10:55 AM

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In my opinion, should there be a new EU related referendum, the Brits will this time vote "STAY". They were mislead with the last referendum, so I don't think they'll make the same mistake.

12-10-2018 , 10:58 AM

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12-10-2018 , 11:02 AM

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You people really don't understand cause and effect.

We understand just fine, and far better than you realise, eg:

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How do you think the EU will view the UK in the medium and long term if we 'remain'?

As having pulled back from the brink of madness with opt-outs and rebates intact after a totally corrupt and undemocratic first referendum campaign, which will possibly lead to jail sentences for some Brexiters.

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How do you think the large percentage who wanted to leave will react with each bad decision the EU makes?

Hopefully by either realising the good that membership of the EU brings, or failing that by emigrating. I hope your passport's up to date, bitter. You might want to brush up on your Icelandic or Norwegian.

12-10-2018 , 11:07 AM

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Hopefully by either realising the good that membership of the EU brings...

Looool

Dream on dreamer

12-10-2018 , 11:17 AM

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As I pointed out, if they really can't stand being in the EU there's another option (in fact two if you include the revolver).

12-10-2018 , 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by diebitter

Good day for no deal too imo.

I know which side has the moral high ground.

You have some moral high ground equity but it's small and diminishing as time and events pile up. We have the numbers in parliament, they're gaining in power as party politics collapses.

You will only get your no deal if you win a ref (or poss a GE)

May's deal still alive of course - it's showtime

12-10-2018 , 11:27 AM

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Dream on dreamer

Ah an excuse to post the track I can't get out of my head ...

12-10-2018 , 11:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

You have some moral high ground equity but it's small and diminishing as time and events pile up. We have the numbers in parliament, they're gaining in power as party politics collapses.

You will only get your no deal if you win a ref (or poss a GE)

May's deal still alive of course - it's showtime

I think you're missing the possibility of the "Oh **** we've run out of time" scenario where the Maybot's prime directive compels it to blunder and bluster its way through to March without any decisions being made, and the cliff edge beckons.

ps No more crap music please, k thx

12-10-2018 , 11:46 AM

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@henrymance
Theresa May has so far refused to let the following groups vote on her Brexit deal:
- the cabinet
- parliament
- the public

12-10-2018 , 12:02 PM

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the pound falling off a cliff as she speaks

12-10-2018 , 12:06 PM

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With Johnson/Patel shaking their heads at the end of each of May's sentences, I wonder if she'll survive even this.

12-10-2018 , 12:16 PM

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With Johnson/Patel shaking their heads at the end of each of May's sentences, I wonder if she'll survive even this.

I saw Priti Patel described as an Apprentice candidate the other day. She may actually be the worst of the current political crop.

That said, I do wonder whether they may end up getting those 48 letters. What May is attempting to do is disgusting.