The legal advice to be published in full at 11.30am.

We were talking about how remainers gaming the democratic system to possibly overturn a democratic result undermines faith in basic democrary as a thing that works for ordinary people in this country, not about bean counting.

To pick on one point that I think highlights the problem with more of the areas;

...is a rebranded way of saying banning consenting citizens from making contracts for entrepreneurial behaviour, and banning the GDP and tax revenue that would flow from it.

As the Remain campaign is very very keen to point out, when you add none-tariff barriers to an activity, in some cases you can scupper it.

I'm not into that, and I think it's a distasteful attitude.

What if that doesn't happen though & which do you think is a more probable outcome re the UK economy after you leave? There's optimism, undue optimism and then simply just not being realistic & I think you're falling into this last category. No indication that the UK economy will be motoring anywhere except possibly to the knacker's yard for the next few years. It won't be succeeding the EU's economy any time soon though.

"Bean counting." lol. You might not give a **** about "bean counting", but some people might do when their beans get taken away.

It's a way of stopping people from exploiting workers by claiming it's OK because they're entrepreneurs so a different set of rules apply to them.

If you extend your reasoning we should be concerned that worker's rights across the board are hitting GDP and tax revenue, so let's get rid of all rights including the minimum wage and start a race to the bottom.

I do think that small businesses could use more help from the government in terms of loans and a simplified tax structure, though.

If we take the reasoning to either extreme it's probably daft, and we probably disagree about areas which are in practice relatively unimportant in the middle. So we choose our favourite MPs. You asked what's wrong with it, I gave an answer.

Given I think the politicians interventions are probably generally a bad idea, I lean towards not interfering unless the case is obvious.

I suspect increased 'rights' has to some extent created the zero hours problem, and whacking the zero hours mole will probably create another problem like cash in hand off the books work, because people ultimately just want to do things for themselves, and banning forms of it under 'this doesn't apply to me, but I know better than you' micromanagement isn't something I want to vote for.

Would you not accept that some people not currently classed as employees are to all intents and purposes, employees? These people should enjoy the same rights and responsibilities as employees shouldn't they?

The two usual tests are, in practice:

a) can the person substitute someone else to do some of the work
and
b) can they have multiple clients

No-one is stopping anyone from being an entrepreneur because if they are there's no-one who can effectively be called the employer.

Is this such a big deal for you?

Watching pm questions and have found out there are a whole 2 rough sleepers in Cheltenham.

First of all the language used is trying to minimise their situation, they poor ****ers are homeless and there are thousands all over the country. But we'll done Cheltenham (I'm sure that's a very wealthy area and can't have the poors on the streets bringing a bad look to the place).

Tories really are the scum of the earth.

Tip about the tory bastards for anyone watching, when their lips move they are lying. Can't help themselves.

And wtf is this **** about well done PM for your actions as home secretary? The ****ing whorebag enforced her anti immigrant agenda and put more than a few Windrush folks in some of the worst situations imaginable.

Line them all up against the wall!

Really don't think I could be left alone in a room with any of the ****s.

You are a completely dishonest **** and I'm getting feed up calling you out on it.

Jalfrezi addressed this crap already, the referendum result only came about because of the dirty money pumped into the leave campaign. Obviously you dgaf about that, same way you dgaf about the prosperity of your country, cos if you did you'd have stfu a long time ago and realised brexit is nothing but national self harm.

As an unrepentant Irish bastard, I seem to care about your **** hole infinitely more than you. You should be embarrassed. Arsehole (not sure I could be left alone in a room with like of you either without wanting to strangle you).

Yeah you push my buttons with your constant willful ignorance and baffles me that anyone here still engages you rather than just to poke fun at you. You really don't want to bump into me at any time in future!

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For first time ever I heard someone else (on sky news) advocate your 'I'm not anti immigrant, just don't like the EU immigrants getting free rein and would much prefer some brown immigrants from India/Asia/anywhere but not your nearest neighbours'. Another dishonest bastard.

Holocaust memorial up for installation next to parliment.

When are they putting up the memorial for the brit caused famine in Ireland?......lol not a ****ing cance that dirty secret gets aired cos we aren't even 2nd class citizens.

I hate them all, thank **** it isn't 1990 when war here was raging. Not sure I'd try stop myself from getting involved with fighting the bastards with the only thing they understand, bombs and bullets.

Inb4 you IRA terrorist loving bastard (save the keystrokes 57).

For me the worst of the very worst tory bastards are the children of the immigrants like Sajid and the few black and Asian conservative mp's. Still not quite on par with the dup bigots but not far behind for most heinous bastards that have ever been in Brit politics.

Despicable bastards want to close the doors now they are in. Sickening and a disgrace to their own people.

Fine, but I didn't ask you, I asked bitter, and he's been conspicuous by his absence in responding.

I wasn't trolling. There's simply no way a large chunk of Brexiters will take it on the chin if their beloved Brexit gets cancelled. Many of them are loosely connected (via friends rather than necessarily membership) with various far right groups from Unionist bigots to Britain First/EDL/whatever they've rebranded themselves as now.

Expect trouble if Brexit gets cancelled...big trouble. Apart from waiting for these bitter and twisted men to die of old age, there will be no alternative to waiting for them to commit hate crimes and sticking them in jail, other than offering them some sort of negotiated assisted passage to somewhere the scum don't have to rub shoulders with too many immigrants.

But anyway, let's get to cancelling Brexit first.

Corbyn ate your hamster.

You wanted a referendum as an expression of democracy; leavers didn't want one but assented on those grounds.

Now, 30 months later, when many have changed their minds, died of rancour or have come of age it's time to hold a referendum to ask people, now they're more aware of the issues and options, what they specifically want.

We were in Cheltenham over the summer bank holiday, and jolly nice, white and middle class it all is too (and totally unlike any of the UK's large cities or run down provinces).

Circumstances will have changed again in another 2.5 years. People will be even more aware then, im sure. Can we have another ref then?

Or maybe a little less frequently.

How about a ref on EU membership every budget cycle? That seems reasonable, cos given you want a ref cos circumstances changed, I'd say every eu budget cycle is a reasonable amount of time to say things have changed...

Or maybe you're just being a hypocrite and just want it cos you didn't like the result.

You don't agree that people are much more informed about the customs union, free trade and other EU-related issues (scientific research, shared security data etc) than 30 months ago and have the right to express their wishes now if they've changed their mind based on that new information?

Is this about labour manifesto? I have a few reasons why I wouldn't even consider it
- Abbott
- Thornberry
- McDonnell
- Long Bailey
- Gardiner
- Corbyn

Useless or horrible personal politics to a person

Ah, so nothing but ad hominems then.

I have no objection to this ref if it's one in an ongoing series on some sort of 5-10 year cycle. I'm a democrat, you see.

We should revisit it reasonably frequently imo. 40 years is too long. And really, 2.5 years is too short frankly, but I get remainers have logjammed everything to try and get their way, and the jam needs addressing.

Still hope and actually think there's a good chance of no deal, but if there is (or isnt), I think there's a good case to revisit EU membership in another 7-10 years either way.

Yep. I wouldn't trust that lot to run a junk shop, never mind a country.

Now the legal advice is out, Mays Deal is busto.

I read somewhere this parliament taking charge vote beeswax is advisory? That true?