Nah mate it's complete bollocks. You ask quesions pretending you're interested in the answer but then you just make up nonsense about what I said. That's just strawmanning and rhetorial sillyness on your part and you can reach your 'reasonable conclusions' without any need to pretend you're interested in my answers or an honest discussion.

So some music

The answer explaining your relentless evasion isn't blowing in the wind, it's the answer that every reg poster in P has come to about you.

Sorry mate.

As I say you don't need to pretend to ask me questions if you prefer the straw manning and silly rhetoric style of politics.

You're just going to make it up anyway so what's the point except for you to play to the peanut gallery?

You seem to like the Dylan so

Same old same old chez

Ask you explicit questions about your refusal to condemn unmitigated racism, and you do anything to avoid them.

It's a waste of time trying to have meaningful conversations with a defender of racists (and therefore a racism enabler), and getting trolled.

You know what you are, and that's enough for me. Thank you. I no longer feel the need to...





This case is closed.

If you've decided to stop pretending to ask questions then that's a good thing

I will remain opposed to the unbelievable bad idea of making the uk more like the usa. Your support of polarisation is one of the worse ideas ever and would be a huge enabler of racism and the far right if you ever got your way.

You're talking complete bollocks and no amount of avoidance and posting post-good Floyd links is helping you.

I've already given one specific example of where direct and aggressive action against the far right led to them losing support and disbanding. Your comment on that? The usual crickets.

You're posting in bad faith and should stop.

Nah the bollocks and bad faith are yours. I answer your questions but you just made up what you want anyway while asking more so let's not paly that game anymore. And more polarisation really is a stunningly bad and stupid idea that only favours the far right and the racists. You can keep equivicating between the 52%+ and the NF all you like and you can keep making up my views on it - go for it, make up whatever you like.

That last song was far too good for you but you're welcome anyway.

Nope, you're the bad faith poster.

Let's deal with polarisation.......ok have a go at bitter for his anti everything that isn't same as him crap......still waiting and that's after he recently expressed some disgusting views about immigrants and homeless people (some the most vulnerable in society).

If you're not going to tackle the racism when it's right infront of you itt and you don't even have to leave your ****ing sofa to do so, then you never will.

Nah I dont equate diebitter with anything like the National Front because that would be ridiculous.

I'm totally upfront about not being a fan of the name calling, making stuff up, polarising approach to discussing politics (except for a bit of banter at times). Totally up front about it. Couldn't be more up front about it.

If some cant reconcile that with also being willing to get off the sofa then that's there failure not mine.

Making stuff up.....really need me to quote his crap?

And you don't equate racist arseholes with racist arseholes, there's a surprise.

chez is going out to bat for the racists and xenophobes YET AGAIN.

Always failing to confront racism = tacit support for it. Just look at what happened in his disastrous P7->P8.8 forum where chez managed (uniquely for him) to be unavailable when the worst of the worst posted gleefully about the antifa protester killed by nazis.

Except chez probably didn't even see them as nazis. His racial politics are like 90% of his music - unlistenable ****.

It's like P8.8 was never shut.

@marty I'm referring to the straw manning, silly rhetoric style popular with some around these parts

I haven't addressed thsoe diebitter's recent posts post in particualr but I have addreseed plenty of right wing/etc posts by many posters and will continue to in the future. I wont be employing the style you prefer because I believe in positive enagement wherever possible and I do not equate diebitter with the NF because again that would be ridiulous.

Equating diebitter with the NF would be absolutely ridiculous So I treat them very differently.

You like to preach violence so let's be clear what you mean. Do you mean the NF or do you mean nearly all the 52% - including people like diebitter. (Plus of course many remainers).

Go on be honest is that what you mean? or do you also see a big difference between diebitter and the NF?

Now who's building straw men.

I haven't been talking about bitter. My example i keep reposting that you keep refusing to address is clearly about the NF.

I certainly wouldn't advocate violence against bitter unless his views become more transparently extreme and he and others like him become a serious threat a la America.

So how about fianlly addressing the NF example i gave you? What are you so scared of?

So you agree with me that equating diebitter with the NF would be ridiculous. Good. So why the fake fury at me for pointing out that they're different?

And what about polarising the 52% (and others) Is that what you really want? If you do then we do profoundly diasgree on that because polarisation is a really bad idea.

If the far right rise again than I will be out there opposing them - hope you are too. As you know, I'm in the peaceful (not necessary lawful) protest camp unless there's no choice but to be violent - yo can if you wish strawman that llike you did last time but you dont have to you know.

All of which is far from the matter of brexit where I believe that there's nothing on the horizon we can do right now to hurt the far right across Europe (maybe even the world) than to reverse it. That's where we should be focusing our energies in my view.

and if we must leave than a deal is far batter than an acromonious no deal which would be the jackpot for the far right.

Ah quel surprise - more avoiding the question.

What are you so scared about, chezlaw? Which opinion is it that you're scared to express?

Certyainly not sacred of you me old mucker. You address my post any time you like or just play your games.

I wasn't suggesting you are scared of me, but you show fear when you avoid addressing questions on one topic , unlike all other topics, and that topic is race.

What do you have to hide?

I haven't hid anything. Just like back then (not me as I was but a lad) I will be in the crowd blocking their marches. Like most people, I wont be throwing bottles but I will defend myself if necessary.

I'm also very sympathetic to the hope not hate movement

What do you have to hide - why all the bluster?

Strange how you didn't say that the first time of asking, but the fifth (or more).

Off topic I know, but are you a practising religious person?

Ive already explained by views on protesting and you know it. If you hadn't straw manned my other answers and indulged in all theat silly rhetoric then I might have indulged you more despite it being way of topic.

How about you now answer my last two:

So you agree with me that equating diebitter with the NF would be ridiculous. Good. So why the fake fury at me for pointing out that they're different?

And what about polarising the 52% (and others) Is that what you really want? If you do then we do profoundly diasgree on that because polarisation is a really bad idea.

Not remotely (nor a non-practicing one), you?

I already said that so far bitter can't be said to be totally aligned with the NF (though that doesn't mean he isn't of course), but I wouldn't agree it's ridiculous because they do have certain key views in common.

Where was my "fake fury" at you pointing out they're different?

Re polarising the 52% - I said before that if people are persuadable re. Brexit then obviously you should try to persuade them, but some of the 52% are anything but persuadable and you're wasting your time trying to reason with them because racism and bigotry are embedded too deeply within them.

Re. religion - no, not in the slightest but your peace, love and socialism, even for racists and nazis, mantra is quite Christian in its outlook.

We disagree af air bit then because I think it's ridiculous to equate them

Where was my "fake fury" at you pointing out they're different?

Followed me pointing out that equating diebitter and the NF was ridiculous.

Obviously some of the 52% are the worst of the worst but most aren't. And I'm far more interested in what can be done rather than what cant be.

I have sympathy with a lot of christian ethics but not totally or exclusively. Nothing to do with the religious aspects. You dont have to then go down the silly path again you know - I dont love nazis or racists or ... well there's only a few people I do love actually (and a dog).

Jfc Chez just put him on ignore for a day till it blows over

You guys are just annoying each other without progressing anything