Government by a system the majority cannot understand is not a viable system, therefore you are confirming the Brexit case.

I'm happy if the voters just thought 'we don't get it and we don't trust you, so f' off'.

It is the elite cliques' role to design a system its customers are happy in, if they want to stay there.

You know that post was in response to diebitter, a brexiter, not understanding how the British system works?

No, I misread it then. Was talking about almost no-one understanding the EU system.

The stupid **** probably has a million words in this thread telling us how the EU should run and what is good for us.

But he doesn't even know how his own cabinet is selected.

He's only here for pointing and laughing at chezfarage. Not answering his bull**** questions or just shooting the **** with. Just point and laugh.

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Personally I'd put his chance of shutting to **** up at 100% if he's made to answer for his nonsense (see just last night's disappearing act).

Today he just wants the ability to make terrible trade deals, yesterday he only wanted democratic representation. **** knows what he'll want tomorrow. Clown.

We know what he really wants, don't we?

I wonder what it's like to live where #BREXIT is your most worrisome issue

Brexit is everything. In March, regardless of the withdrawal agreement that isn't going anywhere, we will crash out of about 750 treaties affecting everything. It will destroy life in this country.

https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/...11763680473090

Worst of all, it's supposed to. Theresa May and Dominic Raab have already said on the record that the point is to abolish the Human Rights Act and quit the European Convention on Human Rights that we ourselves established, so that Britons will no longer have even the right to life. Andrea Leadsom has said that all employment-rights legislation will then be taken away. We're already seeing the DWP forcing the poor to starve or kill themselves, so, when you lose your job, there won't be any safety net. And Liam Fox, who is paid by US neo-fascist lobby groups, has said that the NHS and, interestingly, the schools will be sold off to US private-profit corporations, so all free healthcare and education will end. That's the scheme and that's the point: a thinning-down of the plebs and the ending of all public services so the rich can have tax cuts. That's all.

And it gets even worse, because Corbyn and McDonnell have said that they want the worst possible outcome, so that the Tories get the blame and Corbyn-Labour can then set up Stalinist 'socialism in one country' which isn't possible under EU law. So we're buggered either way, unless we stop Brexit.

Thanks for the link - there's a pdf version available as well https://www.docdroid.net/m3YvOS5/bre...th-revised.pdf


Care to dispute any of the facts that were presented?

'Britons will no longer have even the right to life'

Pathetic

Oh so you consider that a fact?

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Some remainers are the political equivalent of the terrible twos...

If you mean that your replies are pathetic then yes that is clearly a fact - self evident to even a 2 year old.

Please enlighten me to the parts of the linked piece that are wrong.

As much as I think Brexit is terrible, 57 on Red is incapable of having a rational, non-extremist view on pretty much any topic as far as I can tell.

I find it interesting that you've seemingly changed your view from being concerned entirely about regaining democratic control to now only caring about making our own trade deals though diebitter. If we were to end up in a Norway style deal we would still be bound by close to 50% of all EU directives whilst no longer having any control over them at all. From a point of view of supposedly regaining democratic control this would be just about the biggest disaster possible as far as I can see, so the fact that you seem to be ok with it just because it allows us to make our own trade deals is somewhat baffling.

While that maybe the case - not been here long enough to know - the piece he linked is well worth the read.

its fine as a stepping stone imo. I don't see it as a long term good thing, just an interim.

I've said this before.

But I'd take hard brexit over not being able to do own trade deals every time.

That sort of ****ty nonsense is bias cconfirmation for people who want to stay in the loving bosom of ze EU as they think having people in charge they can't vote out is OK cos they seem like nice people.

And i guess assume they'll always be nice people with all our interests at heart... forgetting what they've done to the young of Spain, Italy and all the people of Greece...

If someone wants to tell me die bitter is piers Morgan irl I will instantly believe you

Bias confirmation? It's not an opinion piece but a dive into where we are and what the options are. Have you even read past the title?

No. Project Fear, not worth the time. We had this **** a day after the result, and we've had it week in, week out ever since... erm, have you noticed the polls have barely moved, no one believes it...

I'll leave it to EU lickspittles who want to wallow in their negativity. That's who it's for. Doom mongers who aren't capable of actually making a solid argument to stay in the EU other than 'it's really bad out there....'

Is that cos there isn't a solid argument when you try and think of one?


I honestly picture a screaming 2 year old crying on the floor of a supermarket whilst an embarrassed parent prepares to pick them up and take them out when I think of some of you guys. Not all, but some.

The ones that throw out the racist card, I picture as a skinny, weedier version of Rik from the Young Ones, desperate to be right on....

And some, believe it or not, I respect. Those that have a clear vision of what the EU is with all its faults, but see it as still being beneficial on balance, but still view it with a suitable level of skepticism.

You don't need an argument to stay in your nice neighbourhood when you examine what life would be like outside it, other than "it's horrible out there".

And anyway there have been many, many benefits of being in the EU that we take for granted and that bastards like you don't want to acknowledge because to do so would compromise your horrible little political agenda.

You know it and we aren't fooled by your endless BS.

What a revoltingly timid, insular argument.


My agenda is to ultimately pull back power into our nation state, and take back the giveaway instituted by Major and Blair. The first goal is be able to make trade deals, but ultimately it's clear freedom from the clutches of that supranational power-grabbing machine. I want those in power to be crystal clear who put them there, and who can take it away at the end of 5 years if they don't do a good job. (Do you personally think the EU is doing a good job? What can you do, democratically, about the things it's not doing well?)

Believe me, I find your obeisance to the EU as revolting as you find my loathing of it.

Thought as much.

Does he even cabinet?

Meanwhile, the last two weeks have really narrowed into the focus the best deal the EU have to offer and the parameters that the UK have to decide upon. It's looking like the EU will sign off on:

- UK wide Customs Union backstop with no time limit
- Northern Ireland specifically to retain some SM alignment with additional regulatory checks in the Irish sea
- Extension of transition period so that backstop is less likely to take effect

That's it. Take it or leave it. That arrangement during the transition period is obviously lessor than the current status quo but hey ho, blue passports. And once it is in place the EU obviously have no motivation to push on conclusion of the future relationship agreement. If the transition period rumbles on in a fundamentally stable context that's fine.

Or you leave without a deal and choose economic armageddon. Tick tock.