There are a substantial number of brexitistists who hope that the departure of the UK will cause the entire EU to collapse. They think that this will be a good thing. I suppose that brings us back to.

Work almost nothing and win a lot.
That will not happen.
Companies now know what is real work.

About the emigration. Let´s see.
Italy, France, Germany face the same problems, even my country.
Per example in the transport business (trucking), that it´s almost dead international... was killed by the greed of companies (and lack of regulation, inspection)all over the rich countries contracting people do it for half the pay (Romanians, etc).
There is a principle for "equal work, equal pay"... but that didn´t happen. All countries are to blame.
So, let´s see... if the UK now leaves the eurozone, the british people will start working in that?
For what kind of money 50 and hour?
Lol, GL with that.

Just tried to register to vote in the referendum online, service only available in mainland UK and us 2nd class citizens must print off a form and bring it to an electoral office.

They can go **** themselves.

Are you in N Ireland?

Yep.

My bold.

If you are that lazy you shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway. And since you are that lazy and have disenfranchised yourself; that is all the better.

Not sure you understand my post.....citizens in England, Scotland and Wales can register to vote online....citizens in Northern Ireland can also register to vote online but will then have to print off a form and return it to an electoral office. This is a problem.

And I'm not lazy, just have never felt it was worth my while taking part in electing complete ****wits to a government that does not represent me.

I'm Irish, so If you'd like to try and convince me why I should vote in each election in a British parliment then I'm all ears. Afterwards I'll give you a few reasons why I shouldn't waste my time

My Bold

I understood your post perfectly.

And no it is not a problem; unless you truly are lazy or care so little for your voting rights that an added layer of government bureaucracy causes you to snivel and whine and pout and give up your voting rights. Your own inadequacies, not those of a too easy to blame extra form, are the real problem.

To put it succinctly: grow up. Which given the rest of your post, you need to do plenty quick.

I should grow up and vote.

Not very convincing.

Not going to bother debating whether an extra form (only for 2nd class citizens) is a problem or not with you.

Excellent. Thanks. Carry on being Irish.

Back to Brexit............

There's a certain history of electoral fraud in Northern Ireland. ('Vote early, vote often.') You know this. You could always do what I do and just walk to the polling station and vote in the usual way. If you can't be arsed, that's your problem.

it's always been somewhat different there, iirc you need to actually present id when voting?

Correct lol but this isn't why we can't register online.

I would have just walked to the polling station this one time if only I could register online like the rest of the UK.

Not a good showing by big Nige very poor.
Slightly better from Camoron than his sky showing but he is still getting exposed by an audience loaded with ammo

These debates are interesting

Farage is awful in debates. He looked nervous and kept relying on stock answers.

Big win for Dave, albeit an easy one.

Farage surprisingly ****. Generally does well in terms of public speaking but looked anxious as has been said.

Simply put; the immigration dilemma is this:

- We want the circular migration that 20 year old Polish plumbers who come here and work cheaply for 25 years whilst costing nothing to educate and head back home before they're a drain on the health service give us.

- We're in a spot of bother because 330k net migration each year is unsustainable and we do need to limit the flow somehow.

Not difficult to really address this in a debate setting but Farage was bricking it for some reason.

why is 330k net immigration unsustainable? as long as the economic aspect of it is somewhat sound it seems perfectly sustainable.

It's unsustainable as public services are already stretched. The 20 year old plumbers who came here over the last 10 years are starting to squeeze kids out, and they do require a GP, dentist, school place, etc - not to mention somewhere to live.

Plus, I'm not sure immigration per se is a problem, just that we have no control over over who comes. So the people coming from the EU tend to be low or unskilled, or at least those are the jobs they are filling.

IMO we need control of immigration to make sure people coming in are filling roles we want filling, not to necessarily lower immigration. I think this is where Farage missed an open goal last night to appeal to wider voters, not just tub thumping Britain Firsters.

Because they all flock to London and the South East which are already hugely overcrowded and we literally can't build enough homes/schools/hospitals (don't forget we've got a non-contributory, free-at-the-point-of-care NHS).

Plus the majority are overwhelmingly either low-skilled or work in skilled but nonetheless working-class level jobs which depresses wages and working conditions.

You can't on the one hand say 'migrants do the jobs we Brits don't want to do' (which translates as 'will work for less and tolerate poorer conditions', because let's face it, anyone would be more than willing to clean a toilet for a living if you paid them enough) and then on the other hand pretend it has no downward effect on wages/conditions.

Circular migration is great for everyone but if the absolute numbers get out of hand then the poorer people in society begin to suffer.

Good article on the subject here: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-workin...ration-1561735

Immigrants have been a massive fiscal benefit.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-artic...EU-immigration

I don't think any rational person could or would argue otherwise.

And in their current numbers, have had a crippling effect on the wages/housing/school places/hospital availability of the working class.

Obviously they have an economic benefit in terms of overall GDP. No-one has ever disputed that.

But there are large swathes of the population who don't see their quality of life improve as a result of the benefits of immigration whilst suffering from the negatives. Immigration is a net benefit but that doesn't mean its a benefit for every individual person in the UK.

if only some of them were builders that could help build those houses. or nurses and doctors. that extra tax money will even pay for it too.
there's no reason to think they lower wages or working conditions for people already in the uk. they're complements as much as they're supplements.