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Old 07-12-2018, 09:44 AM   #9926
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Some interesting YouGov numbers out today:

But the full details of the deal hadn't been released. Those answering this poll could only have been reacting to resignations, partisan comments, press reports etc.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:50 AM   #9927
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But the full details of the deal hadn't been released. Those answering this poll could only have been reacting to resignations, partisan comments, press reports etc.
Yeah but what's your point? The respondents are making a choice based on poor information? Do you think that the general public are waiting to dip into a 100 page report?

If the public think she's made a bad deal, it doesn't really matter whether that's true or not.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:27 AM   #9928
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So are you for or against grammar schools?
I take it you're picking your ball up and going home with it.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:39 AM   #9929
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I take it you're picking your ball up and going home with it.
Seems like Trump isn't the only one who routinely gets defeated in debates and is so lacking in self-awareness he claims victory.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:51 PM   #9930
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And itt we get just a small snapshot of who really matter, little england and nobody else.

How about you take the football chat elsewhere? Plenty of places for it here.

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More threats to refuse to pay your bills along with EU migrants working in the UK without the need for visas.

****s still haven't a clue what they want ffs.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:58 PM   #9931
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~half want to stay
~half want to leave
almost no-one wants what we're heading towards. 13% approval is surprisingly high
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:05 PM   #9932
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Seems like Trump isn't the only one who routinely gets defeated in debates and is so lacking in self-awareness he claims victory.
Elolzor doing his usual tricks, having been proven to be an information-free zone again.

Your and chez's short term memories are perfect examples of why it's possible to make money betting on football results. You think of Rooney and immediately recall the overweight, slower, couldn't-be-arsed Rooney, not the Euro 2004 Rooney who had every knowledgeable (ie not you and chez obviously) football pundit, including Eriksson, Charlton and the aforementioned Giles (who you've probably never heard of) eulogising about his incredible talent and comparing him to Pele.

You're the guy who when he thinks of the Stones, thinks of the ridiculous self-parody they became instead of the 68-72 world-beating band, and denounces them as overrated.

We can all scrape up obscure online articles by unknown punters to back our points a la chez, but that carries little weight next to the opinion of eminent players and managers.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:20 PM   #9933
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Congratulations on winning an imaginary argument that literally no one is engaged with or interested in.

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Old 07-12-2018, 01:46 PM   #9934
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Your and chez's short term memories are perfect examples of why it's possible to make money betting on football results. You think of Rooney and immediately recall the overweight, slower, couldn't-be-arsed Rooney, not the Euro 2004 Rooney
If you find yourself making stuff like this up then you should possibly consider that you spend too much time in this forum.

I'm not judging Roony on his later performances anymore than I'm judging Gazza on his sobriety. That's total bollocks on your part.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:37 PM   #9935
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You're judging Gascoigne significantly on him being a former Spuds player, a huge bias error on your part which I should instead have cited as an example of why, say, England's odds are usually way off in big international games... and that's without even touching on the cranky Glen "What did he do in his 53 caps?!" Hoddle appraisal.

That effect is entirely down to people who think like you, and long may it continue on the betting markets.

That we end up reading your unbalanced partisan opinions here is part and parcel of an internet forum, I guess.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:00 PM   #9936
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Making up something different to the other bollocks you made up doesn't alter the fact that's it's just bollocks you made up.

I just disagree with you because I think you are wrong. I'm not going to make up the same sort of bollocks about you being biased against gazza and god because you're an arsenal fan.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:39 PM   #9937
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Link me to articles with knowledgeable people at the time comparing Gascoigne with Maradona.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:48 PM   #9938
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Your and chez's short term memories are perfect examples of why it's possible to make money betting on football results.
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That effect is entirely down to people who think like you, and long may it continue on the betting markets.
how much are you up lifetime vs the bookies may i ask

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Old 07-12-2018, 03:59 PM   #9939
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I won a most enjoyable bet vs friend on gazza scoring the first goal against turkey. Maybe that is biasing me

about 2.5 mins in

Watched on a huge screen, whole crowd rising to their feet as it unfolded except my friend with head in hands.

Then again I only made the bet because of my biased view after watching gazza playing like he was a ****ing genius.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:09 PM   #9940
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longer term outlook,



something i took from the yank election is that polls taken in the immediate aftermath of a mini-crisis for one party or another dont seem to be indicative of much. the 12 point lead for clinton in the aftermath of grab pussy gate turned out to be bc, for a short time, enthused dems were more likely to answer polls than depressed repubs

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if they take the 'should she stand down' poll again in two weeks when everything has calmed down a bit, i reckon it'll be a substantially more may-friendly result
That's the right way oif thinking. Also, if a general election is after a deal with the EU, then pretty much everything pre-deal becomes irrelevant.

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this convo belongs in the mid 2000s

current crop of english teenagers have grown up the abramovich/abu dhabi academies which cost hundreds of mils and are stacked with the best coaches and equipment itw. the emphasis on running around a lot and pushing people over is v much finished

as a result we're the current holders of both the u17 world cup and the u20 world cup. both won in 2017, both our first victory in the competition(s) ever

i didn't watch the u20 one, but in the u17 final we made spain's kids look like a pub side. they couldn't get the ball off us

basically what i'm saying is that it's coming home
Current crop are ok but we're only going to good when some new more talented players come through.

The response to england reaching the semis beggers belief and is revealinf og politcal support as well. England were very ordinary, played nobody, got lucky and still didn't make the finals. if the same team had had a hard (let's be honest, even an average draw) then we would probably have been knocked out much earlier and people would be far more negative about exactly the same players playing exactly the same way.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:52 PM   #9941
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how much are you up lifetime vs the bookies may i ask

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I don't know why you think this isn't true or can't be done.

This is a gambling site. Would you like to bet with me, stakes held in escrow if more than £1000, that I'm not up a five figure sum at Betfair alone?

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Old 07-12-2018, 05:07 PM   #9942
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i think it's not true because 1) almost everyone i meet says they are up vs the bookies yet the paddy power, ladbrokes, william hill and coral down the road all still seem to be fully staffed and open for business and 2) people lie to themselves.

i think it can be done, but not on the back of insights such as 'english players are less technically gifted than many foreign players'

i do believe that you earnestly think you're up vs the bookies lifetime if that's any consolation

on your bet offer, i'm not wil23509. although feel free to poast your betfair record if you like
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:18 PM   #9943
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beating betfair is different to beating a bookie. I'm sure it can be done, Happy to believe Jalfrezi beats it.

for the record i used to spread bet on corners. I never imagined I had an edge or was winning and I didn't. It did make watching football huge fun through - not many better forms of -ev gambling imo
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:25 PM   #9944
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i think it's not true because 1) almost everyone i meet says they are up vs the bookies yet the paddy power, ladbrokes, william hill and coral down the road all still seem to be fully staffed and open for business and 2) people lie to themselves.

i think it can be done, but not on the back of insights such as 'english players are less technically gifted than many foreign players'

i do believe that you earnestly think you're up vs the bookies lifetime if that's any consolation

on your bet offer, i'm not wil23509. although feel free to poast your betfair record if you like
I've no interest in posting my bet record as a brag, only in winning a bet against someone calling my honesty into question.

You should simply retract or accept my bet offer without implying that I'm imagining it.

Bet or retract.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:27 PM   #9945
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beating betfair is different to beating a bookie. I'm sure it can be done, Happy to believe Jalfrezi beats it.

for the record i used to spread bet on corners. I never imagined I had an edge or was winning and I didn't. It did make watching football huge fun through - not many better forms of -ev gambling imo
Beating Betfair is different to beating the bookies, but the opposite to how you mean: it's much harder to overcome the overround than it is Betfair commission, but there are many more market edges to be exerted at the bookies.

If you'd like to bet on whether I'm up against the bookies I think I can still access my closed accounts at the main bookie sites.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:34 PM   #9946
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I've no interest in posting my bet record as a brag, only in winning a bet against someone calling my honesty into question.

You should simply retract or accept my bet offer without implying that I'm imagining it.

Bet or retract.
lol calm down precious. privileged to meet yet another bookie buster

guess its just me and mc1 keeping them afloat
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:36 PM   #9947
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lol calm down precious. privileged to meet yet another bookie buster

guess its just me and mc1 keeping them afloat
I see. Happy to slander someone but unwilling to retract or back your position up. Some might call it cowardly.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:37 PM   #9948
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already stated that i dont think you're lying
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:50 PM   #9949
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Farage, who utterly opposed U.S Presidents commenting on UK politics, must be ****ing **** as ****.

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Old 07-12-2018, 07:57 PM   #9950
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Pages 234567?

Its almost like the Sun is fox news.....oh wait.....

Anyway, how long before DB starts telling us Trump aint that bad?
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