So you think only quotes from the EU count as real news? Lol

Not bothered by Eu's reaction here? Do you think it's a good response?

Don't accept the Independent's interpretation at all?

Dude don’t bother, he thinks this is a win and no amount of rational chatter will convince him otherwise. I have no idea what dying industry he works in but I will personally take great pleasure in watching the leopard eat his face. Sadly that does no good for the people I know who will be actually affected by his idiocy.

wat?

The EU made a statement. The article made claims about that statement that were simply untrue for clickbait purposes.

If the article said that the EU statement isn't really doing much to solve the problem then fair enough, but some problems just don't have complete solutions. Moreover many of the people you share political views with would not only be happy to let immigrants drown but would hole their boats below the water line.

So the response to pointing out Eu's issues is 'yeah but you must be a racist! '

Scapegoating is an easy out for shallow thinkers

You didn't "point out" anything.

Can't believe Diebitter posts are getting worse. Didn't think that was possible. Can't wait for a hard Brexit messing up the entire UK service industry and Diebitter coming in here to defend it.

He is right to criticise the leaders but it would be much the same leaders, facing the same issues and likely deserving the same criticism whether we had the EU or not.

Don't you need to argue that European leaders/policies towards migrants would be better if there was no EU?

Yes he does, and his failure to do so is why his "arguments" are in bad faith.

I'd argue it would be a better (and probaby earlier) response if EU was fit for purpose.

This appears to be about saving Merkel's neck (and the EU) rather than a well planned action

Let's face it, this crisis is down to terrible handling by Merkel and the EU in the first place

and let me guess, labour is to blame for how poorly the negotiations are going so far?

How many refugees are the UK taking in?

Its not the EU that is terrible right now its that a lot of countries elected far right governments who dont give a **** about refugees. So its not an EU problem its problem of the people who are just terrible human beings.
The problem got ignored by a lot of people for a long time who were just happy that the immigrants didnt enter the EU in their countries. Now that Italy and Greece cant take anymore, that thousands of people die in the Mediterranean and Seehofer wants to close the German borders the EU is in big trouble. Merkel knows that and tries to save it with Macron but I am not sure how long it will be possible. Its basically a dream scenario for you and lots of the other anti-europe parties who can just sit and wait for it to implode. But we should be clear about one thing: YOU and these rightwing idiots are still terrible human beings. I would take everyone of you and maroon you in Syria or in Africa and we will see how long you would survive under these conditions before trying to get to Europe.

so nothing to do with the EU not responding to its citizens concerns over several years, or reforming itself in any way (other than calls for 'more EU') despite repeatedly acknowledging it has to reform?

I mean, who'd have thought that enforcing a common political ideology that is highly democratically deficient over a swathe of nation-states that have differing cultural norms would have ramifications? I mean, barely any historians, commentators, economists etc saw that one coming, right?

This was a decision made by elected head of governments not the EU bureaucracy.

So it was a highly democratic decision in terms of process. Of course any citizens of the countries the elected heads represent who are unhappy with this decision know exactly who to vote against. The point is this decision will have made these heads more popular with knuckle draggers like DB.

Yet here DB is in complete bad faith arguing against it.

The UK is still in the EU btw. I assume DB has some cites of how the UK went in to bat against this decision.........................

Its just amazing how little deducting reasoning DB is capable of.

Define that ideology?

We are still at the table. I dont know what we were demanding though.

If you criticise the EU on this decision you are criticising the UK, unless you can cite a source showing our entrenched opposition to this decision.

Why is the EU issuing statements about it then? Let me remind you of headline... 'EU condemns rescue boats picking up drowning refugees in Mediterranean as leaders side with populists'


And you do realise the UK is excluded from a fair bit of EU discussion these days, right?

Are you serious?

The ideology of European federalism. The thing that has lead to making central ideas such as primacy of EU Law, 4 freedoms, ultimate goal of federalising EU members into a single political body controlling the nations of Europe...

OMG its never answer the question or address the issues with EU supporters, it seems. It's always try and deflect the core issues with nitpicking.

Is it because they have no comeback to refute the point that the drive of the EU for more EU is a problem has been pointed out by observers for years and years maybe?

The loudest people are not always the ones who are in majority.
I think there is a lot of decent folks out there which actually has compassion for the fate of these people but it doesnt hit too close to home to do something about it.
On the other hand you have the racists, the uneducated and the people who think they have been left behind for whom this topic matters a lot who are easily convinced to go on the street.
The first group probably only wakes up when it is too late. We had our yellow press dragging a murder by a refugee through the press for days recently. In 2017 there were 405 murders in Germany and I cant remember one of them being reported about for so long. As I would say it there arent enough pictures of dead children washed ashore so the yellow press quickly changed their opinion to support the opinion of the right wing idiots. Its actually sad because nobody reports that what Seehofer wants to do is actually against the law. The just repeat the storylines of these people.

If I am mistaken and the majority actually stay quiet because they think similar then I have lost all faith in humanity.

btw diebitter: You are the last one who deserves any answers because you refused to give answers yourself whenever we asked you to be specific in recent month. You dont get the morale highground.

lol nitpicking.

The ideology you say has been forced on to the UK is basically invisible as an actual reality and not a daily mail scare story, its funny how much you complain about project fear when your whole world view is defined by it.

This little echo chamber is kind of ridiculous. The only ones of you worth listening to or deserve respect are the ones that can acknowledge problems with the EU and are willing to explore that, or those of you that acknowledge the EU is a long term project with full federalisation as the goal. You, at least, are intellectually honest.

I think the reason I get no answers with those of you who seem to support the EU no matter how bad its actions and decision making are is totally clear. You have no answers.

Um, May was at those discussions... lol.

The EU is issuing statements about it because as we have tried to inform your world view with actual fact and not fantasy, elected heads of state have a lot of power over the the EU.

The heads of state of the EU had a meeting about this issue and the statement is a reflection of the policy they want the EU to adopt on this issue.

Even at this late state you are simply deeply ignorant of basic processes of the EU.

Why is the EU issuing statements loooooooooooool, your gigantic ignorance is pure tragic comedy.

Yeah I agree the tory government has no interest in protecting the rights and lives of tens of thousands of helpless innocent refugees. Of course that's a criticism of the UK government.