I guess the best thing about remainer pipe dreams is that they are clearly defined goals, unlike you deluded goal shifting brexiteers.

We shall see - feel free to bookmark.

You think staying in the EU, you know where this country will end up?

Dreaming, indeed.

Well, if we leave the EU, we'll end up with mud huts, tribal warfare, incest and cannibalism. Of course, that's exactly what Leavers voted for because that's the only kind of society in which they would feel at home.

Massively anti-EU, pro-Brexit work mate has controversially said he's thinking of getting an EU (Irish) passport to make life easier when travelling sometimes.

OK or not OK verdicts please?

I think Nigel Farage's kids have German passports (courtesy of Mrs Farage), so they'll be OK.

As Jerry Lee Lewis didn't quite put it... whole lotta fakin' going on.

Has to be ok, like it was for the Loyalists/Unionists that rushed to get theirs.

I'd rather stand in a big long queue before taking a Brit passport myself lol.

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What’s the latest, all going as expected?

Expecting the upcoming war with Russia puts the brexit plans back a while.

I'd rather just have brexit than the war tbh as it's unlikely we get both.

The horse might talk*.

It is more hope than expectation but we have to keep fighting hard (politically fighting that is) for what we want.

*From an FT article on stopping brexit https://www.ft.com/content/ce280d1c-...9-4b5ddcca99b3

If Remainers manage to thwart Brexit, do they think Leavers will just accept the situation and move on?

I don't think people who voted for Brexit would accept the single market option either, as it's the worst of both worlds.

Many wont move on - that's true whether we stay or leave.

For many it will depend on the result of the 2nd referendum. The more decisive it is the better for the winning side. The remain camp really need at least 55% and preferably 60%+.

True, but assuming we leave I don't believe any political party would campaign on a platform of rejoining the EU.

Otoh, if we remain, I think the question of leaving will never be far away from the centre of political debate.

Remaining could finish the Labour party and produce a UKIP PM.

it wouldnt be the worst of both worlds. it would be worse than staying in the eu but better than leaving the single market too.

but it's not going to happen. it's going to be a fairly normal trade agreement and not much else. there's not really any hope left in this ****up

There were a few articles at the weekend about possible rebellions in votes about the customs union. It's all speculation, but if there were a vote then it's possible May is screwed - she could lose the vote on the Union, but the bulk of the Tories would not allow her to conclude a deal to stay in it. At which point a general election seems inevitable, and there is then at least the possibility of a government being returned where a second referendum is on the cards.

I don't think that adds up to anything more than a very small chance indeed (it's not Labour policy and I don't see Corbyn adopting it really), but it is at least a coherent possibility - imho and all that.

We already have a ukip pm..

Some of you guys really overrate the power of the house of lords to change things (which should be binned anyway)

The only thing they do is generate a bit of media frenzy for a day or two around tasty sounding headlines with no real weight behind them... Thank goodness.

That really isn't true. Although they have little constitutional power, it's very clear that governments do take HoL decisions into account and tend not to push things through that they know won't pass the Lords.

Agree they should be binned (obv)

The losing side has no real choice other than to accept it.

If Leavers can't accept a defeat and don't want to be in the EU as a matter of principle, they know what they can do.

They know exactly what they can do. They can build up a political power base until they are strong enough to cause serious problems. Worse they will be a large chunk of the electorate ripe to be exploited by opportunist populists.

That's exactly the future we face if we end up remaining and dont take steps to popularize the EU. We may get lucky and keep dodging bullets but one might hope people have realised how stupid that approach is.

It's going to be a fascinating period in history. Could go so many ways after we leave and much will depend on unpredicatble events.

It may take awhile but I dont see why rejoining the EU wouldn't become mainstream party policy at some point (presumably it was before we joined in 1973). Whether it's party policy or not the pressure from remainers/rejoiners will be strong and it will manifest somewhere.

They had a debate on the Today programme this morning where leaver Richard Caldwell agreed that it would be preferable to stay in the EU rather than leave and remain in the single market. I'm not sure too many leavers or remainers would disagree with this hierarchy.

It would require us to join the single currency - I don't see the general public agreeing to this for the foreseeable future.

That depends on how the EU develops post brexit. They might, for example sort out a two speed approach and be keen for the Uk to rejoin an outer circle. Then again it might go the other way or ...

or a horse could whistle