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12-30-2017 , 12:12 PM

#8426

SiMor29

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I’m still waiting to find out a single ‘law’ that has negatively impacted the UK in the Brexit era.

Anyone?

I really want to know what has brexiteers backs up so badly that they’d vote for divorce.

12-30-2017 , 12:14 PM

#8427

SiMor29

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Our poor fishermen notwithstanding of course lol. Although I’d obviously accept an argument that persuaded me that the fate of 12500 fishermen is above all of the economic arguments against Brexit.

12-30-2017 , 12:49 PM

#8428

davmcg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SiMor29

You won't get much. Anyone indulging in that line of argument should have to provide at least five that will be repealed* after brexit and why that will be a good thing.

*not regs/laws directly related to the administration of our EU membership.

01-01-2018 , 11:08 AM

#8429

SiMor29

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...inet-reshuffle

This Tory government is a joke, anyone who voted for them should be ashamed.

01-02-2018 , 08:28 AM

#8430

Hoopie1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SiMor29

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...inet-reshuffle

This Tory government is a joke, anyone who voted for them should be ashamed.

The alternatives weren't exactly overwhelming, were they?

01-03-2018 , 07:01 AM

#8431

unwantedguest

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So let's vote for the devil incarnate/tory bastards?

01-03-2018 , 07:43 AM

#8432

Alexdb

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In a grim choice between posh religious idiots and 70s union idiots, I try to pick the one that I think will spend the least of our money and impose their dumb ideology in the least negatively-impactful way.

That results in a vote for a Conservative chancellor, but trying to bring back fox hunting and remove school meals did make it a more miserable choice than usual.

01-03-2018 , 08:14 AM

#8433

chezlaw

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It's another downside of labour having moved so far to the thatcherite right wing agenda under Blair. New labour were basically moderate tories (by and large)

If Labour can persist with the move back to being left wing then relatively sensible people like Anna Soubry will gradually become more representative of the tories.

01-03-2018 , 11:06 AM

#8434

diebitter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Let's hope

01-03-2018 , 11:29 AM

#8435

Alexdb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Interesting point. So while I might in retrospect have felt a bit silly having trolled Labour by registering to vote Corybn in, it might actually help by giving us space to nudge the right little closer to a socially liberal, personally responsible and financially responsible position.

In theory I quite liked a Con-Lib coalition, but I think they got a fair bit of the policy carve up backwards.

01-03-2018 , 01:59 PM

#8436

Hoopie1

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Originally Posted by martymc1

So let's vote for the devil incarnate/tory bastards?

Do as you please, but those at the helm of the opposition are people that and have ideas that I often strongly dislike and could never support.

I voted Lib Dem but there's **** all left of the party.

I liked the coalition, the LDs put a useful brake on the lunatic fringe. There seems to be nobody to do that on either of the main parties now.

01-03-2018 , 02:20 PM

#8437

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexdb

In theory I quite liked a Con-Lib coalition, but I think they got a fair bit of the policy carve up backwards.

Alfa Romeo and Nissan proudly present... the Arna! With Italian design flair and Japanese reliability! Oh, wait a minute, we seem to have gone and done it the other way round...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Arna

Cameron and Clegg proudly present... the Coalition! With Conservative fiscal competence and Liberal social conscience! Oh, wait a minute...

01-04-2018 , 07:20 AM

#8438

57 On Red

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Tony Blair has another go:--

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42558162

He is, of course, quite right, particularly given that most Labour voters are Remain and the Corbyn-McDonnell Leave fixation is basically anti-democratic.

Just as a reminder, in the BBC article, check once again that famous picture of Brexitards celebrating the Sunderland result. The man in the blue shirt on the right (and boy is he on the right) -- he's a member of Combat-18.

01-04-2018 , 07:46 AM

#8439

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He should keep his mouth shut tbh.

Waffling about how brexit money should be spent on the NHS is a great idea but not from someone that went into someone else's war costing billions ffs.

Right wing leftie. All bases covered with the snake oil salesman.

01-04-2018 , 08:45 AM

#8440

LostOstrich

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Yeah, Blair is spot on but he really ought to be aware of the toxic effect his own support has on anything. The message is right but the messenger couldn't be worse.

01-04-2018 , 09:22 AM

#8441

diebitter

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I welcome Blair's outspoken support for Remain. He's definitely helping.

01-04-2018 , 11:40 AM

#8442

DTD

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Well, I suppose he probably is given the dumb ****s the government has talking about Brexit.

01-04-2018 , 03:37 PM

#8443

57 On Red

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LostOstrich

Yeah, Blair is spot on but he really ought to be aware of the toxic effect his own support has on anything. The message is right but the messenger couldn't be worse.

Blair-hate doesn't go as deep as the media would like you to think. Normal people don't really think like that. And Parliament, the public and the media supported the Iraq war. Personally I didn't, but the rest of you idiots did. And in 1997, the rest of you idiots all thought Blair could walk on water. I didn't, but the rest of you idiots did.

The idiot constituency are now convinced that Corbyn walks on water, when in fact he's a hard-Brexit maniac bent on destroying the country for Stalinist ideological reasons. I don't think normal people really buy into that.

01-04-2018 , 03:59 PM

#8444

57 On Red

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Incidentally, Combat-18 Guy in the famous Sunderland picture -- he's called Billy Charlton. Quite well known in the area.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/thread...-page.1244161/

This is him, stirring up trouble in Rotherham in 2015.

Here he is again, with a bit more beard, in Sunderland last year, from about 07.00 on.

You'll notice that this open and avowed Nazi and his chums are telling people to vote UKIP to achieve Brexit. And, just as in the days of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Stalinists Corbyn and McDonnell are totally in favour of the Nazis.

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01-04-2018 , 04:15 PM

#8445

57 On Red

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Charlton is now slightly out of favour with some of his far-right mates, due to allegations that he's embezzled donations meant for far-right goons who've been arrested.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/1...g-prison-fund/

I don't suppose that'll deter Corbyn and McDonnell from supporting The Great Cause, though.

01-05-2018 , 07:51 AM

#8446

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 57 On Red

Blair-hate doesn't go as deep as the media would like you to think. Normal people don't really think like that. And Parliament, the public and the media supported the Iraq war. Personally I didn't, but the rest of you idiots did. And in 1997, the rest of you idiots all thought Blair could walk on water. I didn't, but the rest of you idiots did.

The idiot constituency are now convinced that Corbyn walks on water, when in fact he's a hard-Brexit maniac bent on destroying the country for Stalinist ideological reasons. I don't think normal people really buy into that.

That'll be why there was anti-war protests involving ~1000000 people on the streets.

Jfc.

01-05-2018 , 08:16 AM

#8447

IAMTHISNOW

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Just lol at calling Corbyn Stalanist. This is the new lazy meme for morans. I see it a lot. Conflating socialism with hard Russian communism. Anyone doing so is just simply ignorant.

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01-07-2018 , 03:57 PM

#8448

hurtNCYDE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by diebitter

Would you call a people who are asked by referendum to join an organisation for trade purposes only , to find that 40 years later and without a chance to stop the process, who then find they are in an international organisation that can override their national law, have control of their borders and fishing waters, 'duped'?

I would.

People were aware that the free movement of people between member states of the tradeblock was a non-negotiable custom when they voted to join it.

For lots of voters, ending was the free movement of people was a complete red herring when they decided to vote leave in 2016.

01-07-2018 , 04:14 PM

#8449

daca

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hurtNCYDE

People were aware that the free movement of people between member states of the tradeblock was a non-negotiable custom when they voted to join it.

yeah freedom of movement has always been part of the deal. and the common fisheries policy is from 1970 too.

01-08-2018 , 05:30 PM

#8450

SiMor29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopie1

The alternatives weren't exactly overwhelming, were they?

Whatever helps you sleep at night mate.

I by and large agree with Labour's manifesto on most things, save brexit and inheritance tax. Anything is better than voting tory though, and anyone who did is complicit in the carving up of the NHS to hand it off to private interests. Apparently this will increase efficiency, and reduce cost outcomes for the consumer. It doesn't even pass a basic logic test, let alone when you compare it to real world examples, i.e. the US. But, the people are falling for it because they'd rather rant about muslims and sovereignty whilst the country is sold to the highest bidder.

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