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Old 02-26-2017, 11:32 AM   #7201
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Old 03-13-2017, 06:23 PM   #7202
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Re: Brexit Referendum

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39262081

Lords pass landmark Brexit bill


Let's get this show on the road!
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:51 PM   #7203
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Lords pass landmark Brexit bill


Let's get this show on the road!
Indeed. Hurray! But then this:


The bill is expected to receive Royal Assent and become law on Tuesday.

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Old 03-14-2017, 02:50 AM   #7204
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Every sane person in the US should now be wishing they had some means of safeguarding its democratic processes and institutions from a rogue leader hell-bent on destroying them.
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:18 AM   #7205
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Indeed. Hurray! But then this:


The bill is expected to receive Royal Assent and become law on Tuesday.

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You don't understand. We like our tribal island ways and kings and queens and banners. It keeps us match-fit for when ze Germans kick off.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:19 AM   #7206
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Lords pass landmark Brexit bill


Let's get this show on the road!
Yay! trade and political isolation and rising food prices.

But hey the little racist ***** are happy because the Mail patted them on the head.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:51 AM   #7207
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Yay! trade and political isolation and rising food prices.

But hey the little racist ***** are happy because the Mail patted them on the head.
yay democracy coming home!
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Old 03-14-2017, 11:05 AM   #7208
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That would be Greece...
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:54 PM   #7209
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You don't understand. We like our tribal island ways and kings and queens and banners. It keeps us match-fit for when ze Germans kick off.
Yep. Poland is actually a really good example of this. After they were conquered in 1939 by Germany and the USSR, their government reformed in exile in London, and continued meeting there for the next 50 years.

Of course the Germans and then the Russians put in place there own "Polish" governments which originally had little credibility but as time went on started to be recognised as the genuine government of Poland, and the exiles in London started to be forgotten. Eventually Walesa won the free presidential election in 1990 and President Kaczorowski (the sixth exile president) handed him the seals of the Republic of Poland (which of course the occupiers never had).

The point about that story is that "state seals" are a pretty lame embodiment of a nation - if the Germans had got to Britain and the King and his government had been exiled in Canada or somewhere it would always have been clear to the world that this was the legitimate government of the UK to which its population was loyal.
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Old 03-14-2017, 10:31 PM   #7210
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You don't understand. We like our tribal island ways and kings and queens and banners. It keeps us match-fit for when ze Germans kick off.
Maybe you need a history lesson in where our kings and queens actually come from.
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Old 03-14-2017, 11:04 PM   #7211
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You don't understand. We like our tribal island ways and kings and queens and banners. It keeps us match-fit for when ze Germans kick off.
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Well, my opinion is that you need to jettison this old style European family/dynasty stuff. You need more modern weapons to stave off the German menace. And the French.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:45 AM   #7212
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Yep, what we need is more modern dynasties such as the Bush and Trump families to really keep the fascists down.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:03 AM   #7213
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can I make a housekeeping suggestion that this thread is merged with the UK politics thread? I keep forgetting which thread I currently have an active argument in.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:48 AM   #7214
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Brexit is a topic that might be interesting for people who are not interested in UK politics in general. I'd prefer to keep it separate.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:06 AM   #7215
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Most of the discussion in that thread is about brexit too tho.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:26 PM   #7216
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just lock this thread and come back when there's a deal in place and something real to discuss. the next two years will be dreadful and pointless, just like this entire thing really.
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Old 03-28-2017, 08:50 AM   #7217
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The left wing case for Brexit

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/2...-case.amp.html
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:31 AM   #7218
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I'm normally the libertarian in our pub debates, but it is a primarily left wing argument I find convincing for Brexit, and I have found myself repeatedly explaining market externalites, market failures and the environmental impact of importing vs buying locally (as well as strategically securing supply) to hippy labour / lib dem types who are suddenly distraught about small, self correcting impacts to forex markets, commodities futures and GDP forecasts that they just recently heard about.

Its almost like they got told which team to be on from an external source, and then had to rationalise whatever arguments they could get hold of.
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:57 AM   #7219
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:30 PM   #7220
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it's so divorced from reality. other than immigration, none of the stuff mentioned is actually prevented by the eu. you can be social democrats in europe too.

it also misunderstands why the institutions are kept purposely weak. it's to not go too far in taking away power from the nations.

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Old 03-28-2017, 02:26 PM   #7221
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I think the point about the main treaties being effectively unavailable for democratic reevaluation is really important though.
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:50 PM   #7222
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I think the point about the main treaties being effectively unavailable for democratic reevaluation is really important though.
maybe there should have been more/fewer referendums, but that was up to every country to decide on it's own. and the treaties are agreed on by the heads of government of every member country. is wasnt something pushed on people by a bureaucratic eu. it was the member countries deciding between them where everyone had a veto.

(or, well, new members have to take it or leave now i guess)
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Old 03-28-2017, 06:40 PM   #7223
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Well that's why the UK constitution (or lack thereof) prevents a parliament from binding its successors. Other countries have similar rules (ordinary law can be replaced by ordinary law, constitutional law can be replaced by other constitutional law), and the EU often seems to be attempting to lock things into treaties that properly are decisions for future generations to make.
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Old 03-28-2017, 06:45 PM   #7224
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Well that's why the UK constitution (or lack thereof) prevents a parliament from binding its successors. Other countries have similar rules (ordinary law can be replaced by ordinary law, constitutional law can be replaced by other constitutional law), and the EU often seems to be attempting to lock things into treaties that properly are decisions for future generations to make.
im not sure what shouldnt have been in the treaties, but to give everyone a veto and make decisions by consensus does make change hard. it also gives every country security that they'll not just be overruled on important stuff tho
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Old 03-28-2017, 08:15 PM   #7225
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so democracies can't change their mind on the treaties about "important stuff".


This kind of thing is funny when you think about the particular hardcore of EU-loving remainers who still going on about 'well, people can always change their mind'. Not if you're in the EU unless you leave, it seems.
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