Lol. When I saw the article, I thought 'that's a nightmare for any intelligent remainer'

Dig up thatcher,handcuff her corpse to blair and put them both on trial for war crimes.

I support a second referendum on the exact proposals once known. Without that people should respect the result of last June's referendum - let the ******s suffer from their own stupidity.

Another fallacy of the left is that they only ever have one response to things. The same one knee jerk response forever. And because of this, they cannot pull together when they need to.

I also think it's pretty funny to watch leftists fall over themselves in defence of a neo-liberal capitalist protection racket.

If you actually listed out all your views, they would be full of contradictions because you are following the pack on 99% of them.

Classic Lord posts. Misuses the word "fallacy" (hint: there's nothing logically faulty in responding the same way to the same issue). Establishes himself as a courageous free thinker with a broad generalization about his enemies in the left. Then draws a conclusion that makes no sense. Here is the end of your post rephrased to make the nonsequitur clearer:

"The left is really consistent in their message. That's why they cannot pull together when they need to."

How the **** are you an academic? AFAIK, most academic disciplines require precision of thought.

He probably 'borrowed' his flatmate's certificate.

Keep trucking, you are going to lose forever.

It is a mistake to have only ONE thing to say about someone forever. If nothing else it's a stunning lack of nuance.

Blair: war crimes!

That's all you can ever do. Pathetic.

Here are the fallacies involved in the knee-jerk, Blair CRIMINAL response when dealing with whatever he says.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

First it was a fallacy. Then it was a mistake. But upon further reflection, perhaps it's only a stunning lack of nuance.

Incidentally, Donald Trump won while repeating a host of simplistic, knee-jerk responses, akin to Tony Blair = War Criminal.

Hillary Clinton = Crooked.
Iran Nuclear Deal = Waste of Billions.
Inner Cities = Warzone.
Immigrants = Job Thieves.
etc.

Seems like this strategy was pretty effective for him.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

You were lecturing us all about how Labour should elect another Blairite, yet you don't seem particulary enamoured of the original.

Perhaps you should devote more time to your literary career.

Let's roll tape on what you actually were calling a fallacy.

Worth mentioning also that the fallacies you list do not appear in epcfast's post. They can't appear because he's not advancing any argument ("Blair is a war criminal, and therefore..."). He's merely stating his opinion that Thatcher and Blair should be tried for war crimes. You obviously disagree, but there's no fallacy in the statement.

Don't care what you say, you shoot yourself in the foot again and again by being just flat thick. That's all it boils down to, sheer stupidity. You see the world in binary black and white terms.

You keep good lists and bad lists. Blair is on the bad list, so that's all you can say about him. Truly, the side of the clever people.

Ok, but if Remain had won, would there be a referendum every few years every time the EU changes?

I'm fine with regular re-votes as more information comes in, but not a system where a pro-EU vote has validity for 47 years (including retrospectively, from 1972-2019), whereas an anti-EU vote has no validity unless re-confirmed, and even then is going to be challenged in another few years.

IMHO let each in/out vote be valid for 10-15 years. Have another referendum in 2030 on rejoining. That's when it will actually be clear whether we are better off out and it seems that a later referendum like that is the one the remain hardliners are most afraid of winning without project fear on their side.

I recommend checking out some of the threads on poker psychology books written by PhD holders.

Is this a response to me? I literally have zero opinion on Tony Blair. I was an apolitical teenager in America when he was prime minister, and I have not since read about his tenure. But whatever bro, keep lashing out.

Yes. Referendum on treaty changes. It's been UK Law since 2011

I mean he actively started a war that left thousands of dead and made the world a worse place to live.

So yes, I don't really care about his opinion one way or another and hope that he gets a colon cancer.

Box thinkers who do not understand politics

I supported the war in Kosova in still do, but IMHO there is a war crimes case to answer for the bombing of Serb civilian TV:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_b...a_headquarters
(includes justification for why it was not prosecuted)

What he actually said the purpose of the raid was at the time:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/apr/24/balkans3

You overstate it because war crimes, while the most heinous accusation, is on top of the more standard political concerns many of us have with Blair.

None the less there's a real point here. I would choke back my vomit (so to speak) and support Blair on brexit if he was guaranteed to go away afterwards. Unfortunately I expect if we get behind Blair and we win the day then he would be back as a serious political power (possibly some top job in the EU). Given how he fell in line with Bush, that's an horrific proposition now with trump.

This could become a true dilemma because brexit means trump and blair may well mean trump with bells on. Then again trump may be on his way out by then or blair may suffer the same fate as farage even if our side wins. It all illustrates the real problem for the remain camp which is the absence of a good heavyweight leader.

None the less Blair is right and we need to stand up and fight for this rather than accepting our fate.

Chezlaw

Is there a prospect of ukip gaining significantly from a more active remain fight, do you think?

Does that also temper your thinking on this?

Blair was also right about not letting the Labour Party slip back to far left extremism, but ... WAR CRIMES!!

That's literally the thinking I see from people on the left. It's embarrassing to the point where people need to take their own heads and flush them down their own toilets.

Yes I think ukip will gain significantly and it could turn them into a party that regularly gets a decent percentage in general elections. Much like the far right parties in mainland Europe.

It's a definite downside to overturning brexit but it's not sufficient reason not to do it. I'm of the firm view that to overturn brexit we have to have another referendum and win it. Then we all have to see the major job of politics to be to continue to make the case for the EU/Globalisation and address the inequality that is leaving so many feeling left behind. That's the only way we 'win the peace'