oh dear

ww.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/impact-of-immigration-on-native-wages-infinitesimally-small-a7545196.html

The author of an influential piece of economic research frequently heralded by leading Brexiteers as evidence that immigration from the European Union undermines native British wages has stressed that the negative impact is “infinitesimally small” and that his findings had been widely misrepresented

Yeah that's terrible news. I've definitely changed my mind.

I'm sure millions will feel the same.

Fair's fair. They can re-run the referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38749884

Euro 'could fail', says man tipped as US ambassador to EU

Here's a pretty balanced article from a Remainer saying they need to get out of this Regrexit fantasy and start making the case for the EU, or soft Brexit etc.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/remainer-...ics-53077.html

i googled the guy when farage was calling him the next eu ambassador and almost posted it here. he's the standard horrible right wing american theocrat.

here he is writing that trump will bring spirituality back http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/the-candi...itual-capital/

and here's a fun quote from his suggestion that the uk become the 51st state in the us after leaving the eu
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/a-better-...ur-51st-state/

it's funny how the brexiters end up being associated with all the worst people.

No, Britain's membership of the Council of Europe, and accession to the European Convention on Human Rights, long predates British membership of the EU. (1949 for the CoE, created by the Treaty of London -- slight clue there; 1953 for the ECHR. Churchill was rather keen on it.) But May wants to quit the Council of Europe and resile from the ECHR (which happens automatically when you leave the EU unless you re-apply specially). She also wants to repeal the Human Rights Act which embodies the ECHR in British domestic law.

And don't think Magna Carta will save you. It won't. It's been superseded by those newer laws, and when they're gone (and they're going), they're gone. And the 1689 Bill of Rights won't save you either. Under the doctrine of the sovereignty of Parliament, the Bill of Rights cannot be binding, because no Parliament can bind the actions of subsequent Parliaments.

You obviously missed the part where I said the report acknowledges the impact but downplays it as much as possible.

Anyway, the report says there has been no impact on the wages of the skilled so no need for anyone to care eh. all those low skilled wasters, why should you care if they are the only ones effected and worse off - the rich get to have cheap babysitters and someone to serve them skinny lattes at Starbucks, that's what immigration is all about no, cheap labour for the wealthy.

Brexit can't come soon enough.

Really. So you didn't just think of a random socialist off-the-top of your head because you got sore about the fact your own personality could be reduced to the column inches of about three newspapers and maybe the odd spectator article?
Let's hear some examples of my Owen Jones plagiarism...it should be entertaining. You wouldn't just be making it up now would you?

http://www.un.org/en/universal-decla...-human-rights/

Of course it all depends upon what you believe to be a 'human right'. Lots of people would of course include the right to vote so I guess we all have the EU to thank for allowing us the vote to remove ourselves from the EU.

The poor have to pay for things too you know. Like food. Or, say, a plumber. Those things get more expensive. The poor don't spend as much but they are extremely vulnerable to price rises in that which they need.

And to be honest if the argument for Brexit had been focused on the damage to unskilled labour wages I'd have probably voted for it. It wasn't, it was 90% focused on xenophobia with a small amount devoted to nonsenical bull**** about sovereignity ("Independence day" god help us).

Yes, but that's an unfixable problem and not one the EU can protect us from. No parliament can change the rule about binding future parliaments either. All we have is a few acts protected from implied repeal.

This is true, though it wasn't until Harold Wilson was PM that it was possible to bring cases to it from the UK, and not till 1998 that the convention was incorporated into UK law. In the post war period it was mostly felt necessary to protect the new or newly re-established democracies of the continent from slipping into totalitarianism whereas the UK was seen as already having properly functioning protection.

I'm all for increasing the wages of those at the bottom of the scale, an increase of supply for those in unskilled trades does not help this at all.

I'm in favour of a total cap on the number of immigrants according to what local councils say they can sustain. This cap would be worldwide with no preference to citizens from certain countries.

You're in favour of an immigration policy which directly discriminates against anyone who is not from the EU and therefore has to pass many challenges to immigrate to the UK. Why do you feel Africans/Asians should be discriminated against if they want to come to the UK? Too brown/yellow for you?

it's important to remember that this argument is absolute nonsense and just made up for the occasion. there's nothing to suggest that unskilled labour wages have been hurt in any meaningful way.

Fortunately it doesn't matter what you whining remainers say,
Article 50 invocation is on the way!

As I recall there were some effects to do with a % of *very* unskilled work judging from what appeared to be a detailed and meticulous unbiased study. The effects were small in absolute terms but I'd hesitate to call them minor because people with that little income are disproportionately hurt by fractional effects.

Whether this is a real factor given that automation will wipe out many or even all of these jobs anyway shortly is debatable.

I voted remain, somewhat grudgingly: but I was very disappointed with the calibre of argument on noth sides. It remains a disgusting and depressing episode in our history even if things work out for the best.

You seem to be confusing me with a reflexive remainer. I changed my mind twice during the course of the campaign.

I would certainly have voted Brexit if the argument had been made that we need to allow people from the commonwealth free access in favour of EU citizens. We certainly have a responsibility for that.

But, be honest, if you actually seriously want africans/asians to come here your fellow Brexiteers obviously don't. Anything that didn't reek of xenophobia they weren't interested in.

He doesn't. He just thinks that by arguing for the immigration rights of the same Africans that Brexiters like him would hate to live next door to, he's found a gotcha. He hasn't.

Common problem with remainers. They scream xenophobia, when the problem is more the perception that immigrants somewhat wreck quality of life in a lot of northern towns - even if they work hard and pay taxes, they are still perceived as making life worse, by taking some of the little jobs/houses/resources there are.

Not the EUs fault directly (its partly uncontrollable migration with a little no contingency planning for concentrated migrant influx) but so easy to pick apart when the government falsely claimed they could cap immigration with no mechanism available to do that.

And remain never addressed this once iirr, except the times Cameron lied that he was able to cap EU immigration.

Remainers calling people racists for their issues with immigrant pressures in their own town reminds me of that Gordon Brown gaffe with the nice old lady he called a horrible racist - crass and shallow and patronising.

The author of an influential piece of economic research frequently heralded by leading Brexiteers as evidence that immigration from the European Union undermines native British wages has stressed that the negative impact is “infinitesimally small” and that his findings had been widely misrepresented

Yeah keep banging on about expert reports when they obv run counter to a lot of voters perceptions.

Think it through, you might realise why such reports are mostly meaningless to voting patterns.

It's directly the UK governments fault for not working much harder to redistribute the wealth and resources.

It's a bit depressing that some people still don't recognise that such inequality is not only unacceptable in itself but if unresolved will eventually lead to acts of self-harm.

the only reason people think eu immigrants are making their life worse is xenophobia. none of it is actually true. it's just made up to justify their dislike of them.

it's not universal either. there's much less of it in other eu countries.

Yes, that is exactly correct.

Most people have a mindset that is a evolutionary hangover from times when people lived in small communities and the appearance of anything alien was legitimately threatening.

There is a cure for this: some kind of education. In previous times this was hard to attain and understandable. In the modern era it is very easy. The one universal characteristic of your typical xenophobe is an inability to google, conduct basic research or any sort of intellectual curiousity.

In short, xenophobes are stupid, dribbling animals incapable of transcending their primal origins. Not all Brexit voters fit into this category but the majority do.

Absolutely.