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12-08-2016 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
That's my concern too.
and mine. I want to see brexit frustrated but it does worry me that it could fuel UKIP considerably.

I warm myself with the fantasy that May will go for some soft-hard sort of brexit, be frustrated in the commons and be forced to have an election. Ukip takes the nutty brexit vote, Tories take the moderate brexit vote and a remainer takes the remain vote and remain wins a massive majority. Then I wake up.
12-08-2016 , 06:13 PM
Yeah but at least you wake up with a raging stiffy this time.
12-09-2016 , 11:56 AM
somewhat annoyingly it looks like diebitter will still be able to retire to marbella in a few years http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38264203

i guess one party had to be the grown ups here and it's a great that those that voted remain will not be left behind (+people are telling the truth about free movement being a benefit to the recipient country), but still irritating that it'll basically be one-way free movement.
12-09-2016 , 12:08 PM
So we get to have our cake and eat it?

Awesome!
12-09-2016 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
So we get to have our cake and eat it?

Awesome!
you can shoot yourself in the foot and still be carried by your friends.
12-09-2016 , 12:16 PM
Thanks you guys!
12-09-2016 , 12:56 PM
90% Of leave voters will reject chance to keep EU citizenship tho.
12-09-2016 , 10:43 PM
I don't see any former east block EU member voting in favor of a deal that gives UK citizens access to Europe while their citizens are not able to go to the UK. And they all need to ratify the deal.
12-10-2016 , 10:34 AM
The EU has the nap hand here. It's of much greater benefit to the UK for it to have access to the single market than it is to the other 27 members, who can afford to insist on free movement of people that the diebitters of the world so hate.

Maybe a compromise can be reached where an annual quota of EU immigrants is agreed, but it would still be a huge breach in the principles of the EU.
12-10-2016 , 10:48 AM
I care nothing about immigration, except its biased towards the EU
12-10-2016 , 11:45 AM
If any deal involves free movement of people, then the butthurt from Leavers will break all records.
12-10-2016 , 11:53 AM
They only voted Out not for specific terms, so they'll just have to put up with any deal that comes about.
12-10-2016 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
If any deal involves free movement of people, then the butthurt from Leavers will break all records.
Yep, at least a 7 on the 'OAFK Meltdown' scale.
12-10-2016 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
1.25M is not massive. That is just a fact. Its about 2.65% of eligible voters.

You need to look at the swing from leave to remain, as I stated earlier it only has to be a swing of 625000 or a swing of 1.3%. Any seat that only required a swing of 1.3% to change in an election would be considered very unsafe.

Trying to paint the Leave win as anything other than slight is just ridiculously flying in the face of simple maths.
Lol, in denial much. 1.25M votes is massive. As I said earlier remain would need to increase its votes by 10% to overturn this. For a party/cause to gain 10% is huge and the Remoaners have their head in the sand about this.
12-10-2016 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by davmcg
Lol, what a joke. Got to remember that the 'youth' had to register to vote and as such couldn't be arsed and then complained when leave won.

Not everyone goes skiing for the winter and it's wrong to suggest all new young voters vote for remain.

Remoaners really need to accept the result and move on. 1.25M majority really should be enough.
12-10-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by davmcg
Our borders have never been removed as we aren't in Schengen.

I assume your idea of the future isn't that no one from Europe is allowed to set foot in the UK or have to apply for visas? So there will be no difference between now and any reasonable view of the future.

In other words you are just parroting "take back control" cliches.
And you'd be wrong,like the rest of the Remoaners.

Q for all the idiot Remoaners. Why dos the EU have a trade deal with West Africa for goods and services but explicitly rules out free movement? (Which is imperative we are told). Racist much?
12-10-2016 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Again just massive hypocrisy and pot meet kettle.

The only reason this chain of conversation exists is because of Leavers buthurt over the high court ruling.

That and Richdogs inability to understand very simple facts.
Coming from the guy who thought that a few thousand voters changing their mind would make a difference!

Also, have you researched what the Brexit vote question was yet or are you still clueless on that too?
12-10-2016 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by richdog
And you'd be wrong,like the rest of the Remoaners.

Q for all the idiot Remoaners. Why dos the EU have a trade deal with West Africa for goods and services but explicitly rules out free movement? (Which is imperative we are told). Racist much?
What does the "E" stand for?

(Shout if you need help with this).
12-10-2016 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
What does the "E" stand for?

(Shout if you need help with this).
Equivocation?
12-10-2016 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by richdog
And you'd be wrong,like the rest of the Remoaners.

Q for all the idiot Remoaners. Why dos the EU have a trade deal with West Africa for goods and services but explicitly rules out free movement? (Which is imperative we are told). Racist much?
Because there aren't many in the EU who want to move to WestAfrica to live and work there. In return West Africa hasn't much to offer which would threaten businesses in the EU when they get access to our market. The one market that might be hurt is agriculture but that is highly protected. The UK on the other hand has business which is in competition to other EU countries so in order for them to have free access to our markets the UK has to give something in return as well.

Besides your argument is just a straw man to divert from your anti immigration stance. You and your mates would be furious if the EU had a trade deal with Westafrica which included free movement.
12-11-2016 , 05:47 AM
Wow, read about another legal challenge based on 'leaving the single market wasn't on the ballot paper, therefore we can't leave it without a referendum'.

The butthurt are really gonna drag this country to the far right if they keep up this spoiling behaviour - it seems like they literally cannot understand how taking a strong element of the negotiating hand away might force a GE (more likely they do understand but their butthurt rage will not be contained), which will stripmine labour supporters into UKIP (leavers) and libdems (remainers), and basically construct a hard right parliament, where there is a good chance UKIP have the whip hand...

This probably won't end well if it happens - but the legal case seems very shaky, so it probably wont.
12-11-2016 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by richdog

Remoaners really need to accept the result and move on. 1.25M majority really should be enough.
Yeah almost half the size of Hilary Clinton's mandate.
12-11-2016 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
might force a GE (more likely they do understand but their butthurt rage will not be contained), which will stripmine labour supporters into UKIP (leavers) and libdems (remainers), and basically construct a hard right parliament, where there is a good chance UKIP have the whip hand...
Yeah I'm sure UKIP will win a majority with their massive 2% support amongst the general population.
12-11-2016 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
Wow, read about another legal challenge based on 'leaving the single market wasn't on the ballot paper, therefore we can't leave it without a referendum'.
it doesnt sound like something that would go anywhere and they're probably just wasting time, but if they had a case then it should be heard in court. you should follow the law on these things even if it's unpopular.

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it seems like they literally cannot understand how taking a strong element of the negotiating hand away
i dont think strength or negotiating hands or stuff like that really matters. there's a limited number of options to pick between and it'll end up being on of the few ones that both sides can live with. it's not a battle.
12-11-2016 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by richdog
Lol, in denial much. 1.25M votes is massive. As I said earlier remain would need to increase its votes by 10% to overturn this. For a party/cause to gain 10% is huge and the Remoaners have their head in the sand about this.
You can say it is massive, factually it isnt, I mean you are just spouting unfactual nonsense here.

You keep quoting the 10% number, did you get that from leavetard.blog?

It seems like one of those idiotic talking incorrect counter points that takes on meme status.

What matters is the swing, if we take actual voters, the swing needed to go from leave to remain is miniscule.

Its no surprise you are unable to understand the mathematical realities behind people switching a vote.

      
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