I feel bad for the remainers who want the country to utterly fail so they can feel less butthurt tho

So you think democratic institutions who join an undemocratic process shouldn't have a way out of that without punishment. Gotcha.

Very few (British) people want the country to utterly fail. wtf.

tbf the leavers voted for economic loss just so they could stick it to immigrants and eu vacuum regulators.

OK utterly fail was a bit strong.

Howabout 'fails enough to make remainers feel better about it'?

daca. Speaking of regulators I got to see the EU standard balloon warning for 8 year olds on a packet of balloons for my son's birthday - this was the subject of the balloon myth (that 8 year olds were banned from blowing up balloons).

However, can someone run by me again why the Czech language text on a packet of balloons sold there is decided in Brussels and not Prague?

Well the further we get away from Brexit the better the news. Not triggering A50, no points based system and a priority placed on single market access. Hopefully we can get to the point where we are essentially part of the EU (though without any say in it's direction obv) while technically being out of it and the economy can make a full recovery.

We'll probably end up in the single market with free movement of people but an emergency brake that we can apply to the benefits of migrants...

I don't understand your question. Are you wondering who wrote the text and why, or are you wondering who decided the warning should be there and why?

Because the chinese company making the balloons finds it far more efficient to negotiate the text with one body rather than 30?

The doom and gloomers will know they are correct if the economy does badly and not know they were wrong if it doens't. Would have been so much better if the remain camp had been far less dogmatic and condescending about the stuff they made up. We didn't know the economic consequences and we still dont know. We may never know. We do know many will make stuff up about it. The genuine remain case was political not economic and we never made it.

and although tom is right that we may not leave very much (and hopefully we wont) it's really really hard to make a case that that's the reason for the lack of real doom and gloom. A better argument for the doom and gloomers is that the weak pound is economically awesome short term. Doom and gloom awaits.

i feel like the economic question was settled the night of the election when the pound lost 10% of its value.

the economy will continue to grow, at least long term, because that's mostly what they do, but it'll be some % smaller than it could have been.

I really don't think you should consider currency trading on a largely uncertain group of outcomes settling anything.

I don't really undertsand seeing it that way. Non-inflationary weaker currency is almost worth praying for economically. Whether it will be non-inflationary enough is another matter. It's also a small part of a very big complex picture.

Re the brexit campaign if your far more modest claim had been made 'probably still growing but a bit more slowly' then it would have been a lot more credible. Still leave a huge problem for the remain camp that most dont want to engage in the political arguments in favour of closer union.

Eh?

You need to watch/read better news.

TM has stated categorically that there will be no freedom of movement and this is a cast iron line in the sand.

The whole reason she is against points is that it does not give enough control over immigration.

That is certainly the reason why she's abandoned the idea of a points based immigration system. Somehow she has to find a formula that favours EU migrants as quid pro quo for access to the single market.

Also, I'm impressed that the Exiters profound knowledge of Japanese business culture enables them to ignore the Japanese government's warning that Nissan, Nomura, Honda, Hitachi et al will not pay a tariff for access to the EU single market, as this was instrumental in attracting them to the UK in the first place, but will instead look to relocate to the EU.

No, why the "who" is the EU and not the Czech government.

@Tom - it isn't a matter for negotiation, there is just the required legal text for each particular national market, i.e. in language of that market that needs to be printed on. Isn't there supposed to be a principle of subsidiarity?

Bit strange to argue over who was right when it comes to brexit when article 50 hasn't even been evoked yet.

Brexiteers are still in the process of finding out what the EU actually IS. Will take quite a lot of time, it seems.

The EU doesn't even know what the EU is. Does it really matter?

The Pound peaked vs Dollar mid- 2014 (4-year time frame) and has been in decline since. Brexit vote caused a hiccup, that has since flatted out.

value+of+pound+sterling+graph

EU means EU. It's very clear.

Amidst all the doom and gloam and a falling out with China, this was somewhat surprising news.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...l-tower-london
I'm firmly in the correct 'dont know' economic camp but I sure wouldn't want to be investing in the high end London property market right now.

The Chinese have oodles of money to throw about and London still has panache, some still left over from the days of Samuel Johnson and James Boswell.

And stop with this "It's very clear" BS, Chez. It is not clear at all, aside from the EU being a pretend economic empire with delusions of grandeur abetted by fascism. The goals, whatever they are, could not even be elucidated to the masses in the UK in any coherent manner, hence it got kicked in the teeth. Death to the EU, I say. What will come out of the ashes only time will tell.

It is very clear that it's not at all clear. (EU means EU was a joke btw - taking the piss out of 'brexit means brexit')

as to your last line - we will give australia a good beating obviously

Lol zeno, the EU knows very well what it is, it just doesn't know very well what it should be. And it is the complete opposite of fascism. It's a consensus based voluntary cooperation, is that what you think fascism is about?

So if you want to leave, fine, but the reasons given for wanting to leave until know have mostly been based on complete fiction on what the EU actually is and does. As made clear by the loltastical scramble in the UK government on what to do next.

My misunderstanding, Chez. When in London next year, I hope we can host a glass to the death of the EU, or at least the death of something.

Boris Johnson had it right. He has since been out swindled and has to act the gentleman. But he would be a lot of fun to romp about with in London causing untold mayhem. I plan on looking the bloke up when I blow into town.