Nigel Farage.

I never get these reasoning. People complain that their votes doesn't change anything. Well if you keep voting for the same parties every time why would you expect a change? Or maybe its just more simple: What you want isn't what the majority of people wants. So is this now an excuse to become violent? Why even do a referendum? If people really want out of the EU shouldn't UKIP get 50%+ votes next election?

Surprised the amount of people in this topic that seem to favour leaving. Leaving means we will have a lower standard of living and less political power in world issues.

Its tyranny of the majority, the structural problem of democracy. Its why stuff like Jim Crow existed. There is no "people" or "will of the people" we are all individuals.

I doubt that quote is in context tho, Nigel is a very smart man and that sentiment is not a smart one to utter for a politician like him.

wtf5,

It seems difficult to imagine that the world's 5th largest economy, and one of the few permanent members of the UN Security Council, will have "less political power in world issues" when it re-takes its own seat at the WTO and other global bodies from the EU.

That quote really doesn't need context.

Lol, this obv. There is a lot less compromise and a lot more pressure to be gained from leave. The quality of living is something you have to balance against sovereignty, either its worth it to you or it isn't, can't really judge either side of that.

The UK isn't more or less sovereign when they leave. Its a choice for them to make and that shows exactly that they are sovereign. The union is a voluntary arrangement.

This is incorrect. They voluntarily surrendered a part of their sovereignty, which means what it says, they surrendered a part of it. So yes, leaving gives them back that sovereignty they earlier (voluntarily mind you) surrendered, as a result it's a more sovereign state after they leave.

That's because bookmakers factor in liability of the betting market as well as odds of it happening. The polls showed a strong shift to leave, one poll giving them a 10 point lead, but the consensus being around 5 points at the time.

That's not to say polls are infallible, but your logic is still off.

Do you even want more souvereignty? UK was sovereign enough to join the USA in the Iraq war being one of the reasons for the turmoil in the whole region.

Security council is worthless. All the meetings are for naught when China and Russia just block everything.

That's redefining sovereignty.

But even if I follow your position that they surrendered part of their sovereignty on joining the union, with the unanimous decision making process that was in place for most of the time (and effectively still is until next january), the difference in sovereignty beteren in and out is extremely marginal.

If you actually have some grasp of international trade, economics and politics and dont just parrot empty meme's like 5th largest economy, its really really really easy to imagine.

What pressure do you think we can gain by leaving? Economic pressure and influence are huge weapons in dealing with problematic countries. Being part of the 2nd biggest economic block in the world seems preferable to standing alone. Do you think China cares much if the UK puts tariffs on its steel exports compared to the whole of the EU doing it?

It is good that we are the 5th largest economy and I hope we will stay in that position as we will not be get any higher in the foreseeable future. we will always have a level of political power but I don't see how we will gain more by leaving and think it's likely we will have less.

What exactly are the people that want to leave looking to gain? Life in the England is pretty good as it is imo.

One thing that really annoys me from many people who support the leave campaign is they continually bang on about immigration and we need stop letting in X,Y,Z people.

IMMIGRATION IS GOOD FOR A COUNTRY. ITS ECONOMICALLY BENEFICIAL.

There will always be some immigrants that try and succeed to abuse the welfare system. There are British citizens who also do the same. There will always be people that try and cheat the system, it doesn't mean we want to stop letting Immigrants in to this country. France has suffered more than most countries with terrorist attacks lately and I'd agree are one of the most of risks from further attacks. They have said they will continue to accept immigrants and I tip my hat to them for that. Immigration = Good. Daily Mail/Sun headlines etc = Rubbish.

is all emigration good?

are barely literate economic refugees from turkey and syria good for Britain?

refugees from Syria are political refugees unless I'm much mistaken. That is a humanitarian matter.

So they need to come to Britain? For every person you save by allowing them access to Britain you can save 7 with the same amount of money required putting up camps in Syria.

This isn't Vietnam where your country Bombed the **** out of them and then bowed out from public pressure. You didn't cause the refugee problem you don't need to allow them into your country. This is bleeding hearts at their worst.

Given all his other political posting, shocker that BB subscribes to the "I got mine, **** you rest of the world" belief system

Being put in a camp is not remotely close to being saved. It may be better than the alternative but that just shows how incredibly bad the situation is.

If you don't care enough about these people then you can just say so but lets not pretend we can do anything for them remotely as good as welcoming them into our countries.

Actually, you were redefining sovereignty, my use fits its definition quite well. And no it's not marginal, if you think that you have little idea about what the EU is all about.
For this all to be true they have to have some significant power to begin with in the current situation which is really not the case. Their power will only grow (to new minuscule proportions but it will still grow).

The difference between in and out is big, but the difference with regard to their sovereignty between in and out is extremely marginal. Nobody is forcing them to do anything, it's a completely voluntary choice, which means they are sovereign in their choice. I don't see any other way to define it.

Pretty rich to complain about literacy when you don't even know the difference between emigration and immigration.

Immigration is good (in economic terms) when its not about refugees, refugees are pretty bad (again, economically).

You can't save the world by importing millions of people into what is already one of the most densely populated countries though.