idk they battered gordon brown about so mercilessly for not calling an early election in a similar spot

i expect there's footage of boris calling gordon a ********** on the daily politics or somrthing for not calling it. even the shambling wreck which was once called the labour party would be able to make hay with that

Tom Watson has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign. He told him he has "no authority with the PLP".

btw is david miliband still alive? feel like this might be the time to make the glorious comeback

Didn't he leave the country? Smart guy.

If it wasn't for Nigel Farage there wouldn't have been a referendum.

However if he had disappeared 3 months ago and Jo Cox hadn't been murdered, leave would have won by a much larger margin

Labour party should hold puppet byelection for David Milliband, make him leader, to run on a ticket of destroying union influence on labour party and keeping us in EU to add to the comedy gold

EVERYBODY in the UK would like to know precisely what the actual ****, it has been confirmed.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/s...20160627109859

This.

There was a little side conversation about BJ's motives and endgame etc earlier in this thread. I've been thinking about this a little and have concluded that his actions are best described as those of an egomaniac who loves the drama and sport he can find in such a situation. Although I agree it's clear that he ultimately wants to be PM, I don't think he has much of an endgame. That's not even a criticism really - the political landscape has been been volatile (to say the least) for some time to the extent that the medium/long term becomes almost impossible to predict. He's making it up as he goes and I'd grudgingly say he's doing a good job of it.

I disagree.

If BJ tries to sell Brexit ultra ultra light it will destroy him. This is what he has started to do and I just dont see how it works for him.

It is just too revealing of the fact that he never actually wanted to leave the EU and never expected Leave to win and this whole charade has basically been him using the entire country as pawns in a game about who gets to be house captain.

For more simple minds its just epic backtrakements.

how much would it cost to keep the trade deal the same but not have free movement

cold hard cash

how much europe. name your price

Pound taking a dry bumming v the dollar.

On 800K Poles
Such as France? And after that provokes Frexit they go to Germany ...

But then why should the EU learn anything from Brexit, they haven't learnt anything from any of the other crises.

The eastern european countries aren't very likely to agree to a trade deal without free movement imo. Unless you give them a lot of money though.

right

how much

They export to the UK too. And there is the leverage or possible compromise of letting their citizens already in the UK stay. The alternative for them is "no deal".

They all hate the EU too and would also leave if the major practical advantages weren't there for them so they're not interested in making an example of the UK.

same ****ty haircut

I said it was a hope! Yeah, the EU are putting pressure on because they know that the existence of the EU is in danger while this is happening, if another countries jumps it's all over. Completely agree they won't want to offer a new deal, but there's a possibility they won't have a choice if they want to save the whole thing.

It's not exactly going to breed a strong relationship though!

Re the Poles in the UK - some will have full residency status by now (not easy to get) and some will have full citizenship (not so easy either and costs about £1.2k). Some will be married to UK citizens and some will have kids born here. The Polish economy has, I believe, not being doing so badly in recent years so there is less reason to leave Poland now and some are returning. Not sure how many could leave as a result of Brexit, but I can't think of a realistic scenario that would lead to a suuden mass exodus. It's more about it being harder to extend a work permit, and what happens to those that want to come over in the future.

Also, Poles pretty much have to learn a second language not matter what they study. It's most often English or German, so those countries are always going to be more viable destinations than France / Spain etc.

He'll be able to sell that if we've had a year of suffering in the meantime. Especially given how close the result was, I'm not even certain a referendum held today would come out as leave.

He would have literally no chance of winning the membership ballot. This is the same electorate that gave Corbyn a landslide ten months ago and the referendum results suggest a lot of them voted out anyway. The "modern" wing of the Labour party doesn't actually represent anyone and now the Labour party is run on a more democratic basis that's going to be reflected in who gets top positions.

He's in the US working for the International Rescue Committee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...scue_Committee

Gave an interview on Maddow Friday night after the Brexit decision came. Seemed like a guy who wouldn't totally rule out a return to politics.

That's because none of the important people wanted to be on his frontbench in the first place.

Where did you see this? I thought he got elected by the younger voters?

There's no chance Leave would prevail today, it'd be lucky to hit 45% imo. It was sold on lies, the majority of which are now exposed. And the youth turnout would be far higher now they’ve had the scare of abstaining.