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This is just another way of jalfrezi calling leavers racists. More conventional meaning of racist this time which is something I suppose.

'implies' is doing one hell of a lot lifting. It's an example from the conjugation of the past perfect imaginary class of verbs

You're confusing two different thread strands here. This one is specifically addressing people who voted Brexit for racist reasons, of which there are many and with whom I've had too many encounters since 2016.

But of course I'm wasting my time even discussing racism and its effect on the referendum with you because you're permanently unwilling to acknowledge its importance and/or its existence, usually with a resigned shrug of the shoulders and an 'oh well what can you do?' reminiscent of John Le Mesurier.

04-19-2019 , 05:20 AM

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Now let's get back to reminding bitter he's Pike.

04-19-2019 , 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

sorry fair enough. As long as you're being consistent in this refreshing use of the conventional meaning of racist

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But of course I'm wasting my time even discussing racism and its effect on the referendum with you because you're permanently unwilling to acknowledge its importance and/or its existence.

This is totally untrue. Hard to credit you believe it is true so I'll write it off as silly rhetoric rather than any attempt at a statement with truth value

04-19-2019 , 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

sorry fair enough. As long as you're being consistent in this refreshing use of the conventional meaning of racist

This is totally untrue. Hard to credit you believe it is true so I'll write it off as silly rhetoric rather than any attempt at a statement with truth value

That's the technical definition but the modern idiom includes other prejudices such as Islamophobia too. I guess you don't?

04-19-2019 , 05:31 AM

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Of course I include Islamophobia - the fact you don't know that is quite revealing about you and your judgement abilities.

04-19-2019 , 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

As you can see I'm not, because only one group is implying that (genetic) science supports their observations.

Can you point to where the leave campaign used this argument during the referendum?

04-19-2019 , 05:42 AM

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Of course I include Islamophobia - the fact you don't know that is quite revealing about you and your judgement abilities.

No need to be snarky. I didn't want to make any false assumptions.

If someone says "Somalians are cockroaches" is that racist?

04-19-2019 , 05:43 AM

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Can you point to where the leave campaign used this argument during the referendum?

I don't need to because that's not what this strand is about or a claim that I've made, as you know.
Another one caught in his own burning straw man.

On that subject though, would you agree that posters implying a large number of Turkish people would soon have free movement within the EU was playing on people's racism?

04-19-2019 , 05:52 AM

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No need to be snarky. I didn't want to make any false assumptions.

Why would you need to assume anything? and you did assume the reverse of what is clearly the case. Was that just silly rhetoric on your part?

I wont follow your obvious attempts at diversion trolling.

04-19-2019 , 05:56 AM

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I don't need to because *reasons*

Fyp.

04-19-2019 , 05:57 AM

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Why would you need assume anything? and you did assume the reverse of what is clearly the case. Was that just silly rhetoric on your part?

I wont follow your obvious attempts at diversion trolling.

Lol

You have an unusual definition of racism that I was trying to clarify.

But your reluctance to acknowledge **** sapiens and blattodea comparisons as racist is noteworthy and not without historical precedence.

04-19-2019 , 05:57 AM

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Fyp.

Just leave quietly imo. No one will notice.

04-19-2019 , 06:04 AM

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Nonsense.

I'm happy with both the standard definition and the one commonly used here - need to be clear though when attempting to understand what people are saying. I also, as you should know, include Islamophobia under racism - I usually use 'racism/etc' to avoid the usual silly argument about race

Yes I caught your obvious diversion trolling - well done on anything you make up as a consequence

04-19-2019 , 06:16 AM

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Chezlaw accusing someone else of diversion trolling must be peak hypocrisy.

Maybe we can just end the internet here?

Its work is done.

04-19-2019 , 06:18 AM

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In chez land, seeking clarification about definitions of key words is the same as diversion trolling if it means you're in an awkward spot.

Or maybe it's merely a form of racism that you don't mind?

Waiting for the world's worst YouTube DJ to spin some more rubbish...

04-19-2019 , 06:20 AM

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Chezlaw accusing someone else of diversion trolling must be peak hypocrisy.

Maybe we can just end the internet here?

Its work is done.

04-19-2019 , 06:20 AM

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Lol Jalfrezi basically thinks all leavers are stupid and racists,.

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. I'd vote tories if Boris if he were in charge,

lol.

04-19-2019 , 06:21 AM

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Just in case you want to move beyond the name calling, silly rhetoric thing

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On that subject though, would you agree that posters implying a large number of Turkish people would soon have free movement within the EU was playing on people's racism?

Of course it was in a large part playing on racism.

Do you also recognise that the EU's attitude towards turkey membership was in large part down to racism?

04-19-2019 , 06:22 AM

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Chezlaw accusing someone else of diversion trolling must be peak hypocrisy.

Maybe we can just end the internet here?

Its work is done.

After spending 20 or so posts arguing about the very specific definition of racism and how everyone should be clearer with the language that they use.

Interspersed with doozys like this:

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

and to be clear, when I point out jalfrezi's approach, I mean he calls leavers "stupid and/or racist" even if I sometimes say 'stupid racists' (in a captain Mannering accent)

04-19-2019 , 06:25 AM

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Btw the generalisation made is that all racists are leavers, which if you want to dispute, go ahead.

That is not the same as calling all leavers racists. Though given the above sometimes lazy slips are made.

I'm not sure that's the generalisation but I dispute it. The idea that ~no remainers are racist is absolutely bizarre.

What I suspect everyone will agree on is that racism is a greater factor in the leave camp than it is in the remain camp.

04-19-2019 , 06:32 AM

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How much of a factor is it in the cockroach camp though?

04-19-2019 , 06:33 AM

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In chez land, seeking clarification about definitions of key words is the same as diversion trolling if it means you're in an awkward spot.

Pretending I haven't make a mega number of posts on the varuious definitions of racism is a new low even by your standards.

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Or maybe it's merely a form of racism that you don't mind?

I dislike all forms of racism. Definitions are for communication - they don't change anything about what we like/dislike

but well done on the predicted making stuff up

04-19-2019 , 06:37 AM

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Just in case you want to move beyond the name calling, silly rhetoric thing

Of course it was in a large part playing on racism.

Do you also recognise that the EU's attitude towards turkey membership was in large part down to racism?

I don't know how much though it was obviously a large factor, as was Turkey's abysmal human rights record, though I'm sure the EU could hand wave that away if it wanted to.

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04-19-2019 , 06:47 AM

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I don't know how much though it was obviously a large factor, as was Turkey's abysmal human rights record, though I'm sure the EU could hand wave that away if it wanted to.

Large factor is right. I can't quantify it either. But nice to have someone else acknowledge it.

It's not a reason to be anti-EU but we also have to recognise just how prevalent racism is throughout Europe. Combating that racism/nationalism is part of the urgency of remaining.

04-19-2019 , 06:58 AM

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OK, we can obviously agree on that but as I've found time and again it's nigh impossible to change the minds of people who use only emotions to do their "thinking".

Most of them are in denial about their own racism (the hardened "Yeah I'm a racist, so what, I'm entitled to my opinions" type, one of whom I work loosely with, are too far gone).

There's a potential chink of light in the Green party's broad appeal across the left/right divide, whose values may rub off on some, but they remain a niche party at least in GEs,

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