One thing many leavers always strongly suspected was that brexit would be frustrated even if they won.

The funny thing is that the leavers found a determined brexit champion in May who just wont go away, and so far they have managed to be the ones frustrating her.

I agree the criticism of Bercow is way out of line. As is the ludicrous idea that he has some biased plan to strike at his enemies or brexit in general. That doesn't mean he didn't really enjoy annoying Leadsom

If anything he has accidentally helped May's plan A of getting this to the last week - it's not like she wanted a vote this week and it gave her the excuse not to hold it (I have no doubt that wasn't a consideration but if it had been some biased plan then he wouldn't have ruled the way he did)

lol

Who wouldn't enjoy annoying Leadsom?

The picture on her face yesterday when Bercow made his announcement was quite something

Bercow - best Tory politician since Churchill (who wasn't always a Tory)?

I know the no deal vote wasn't legally binding. But it was as good as legally binding.

Arguing about the current trajectory is like driving west towards Middlesbrough and being concerned about driving into the sea. We can stop the car on our own unilaterally and we can functionally turn the car on our own too.

Any attempt to let no deal happen from the PM is itself a betrayal of democracy and a constitutional crisis.

Let's not forget his advice was that we should sue the EU. What for, where and why no one knows, including Trump himself.

The most generous thing we know is, according to advisers, he advised asking for more so that you can negotiate down to what you want.

Truly the art of the ****ing deal.

This is the guy who just shut down the US government to get his own way on the wall, got completely out maneuvered and dealt for what was offered before the shutdown whilst he was demanding less than was offered a year earlier. Then declared a national emergency giving the next president the power to unilaterally correct course on climate change and gun violence, which is why his own party has been fighting him.

He is truly the worst negotiator in politics. Even worse than May.

lol

You do remember it was a win of 312-308 on a non-binding vote, right?

However likely no deal is its magnitudes more likely than any unilateral action.

Can I just ask you remainers, do you think a non binding vote should be honoured?

In general, not necessarily.

So, when should it be honoured and when shouldn't it be?

It's not when it gives the answer you want or not by any chance, is it?

The whole issue sums up why we shouldn't "do" referendums, and why there shouldn't have been one on Brexit in the first place. Democracy relies on electing people to represent us in Parliament. If you ask lay people technical questions you're likely to get stupid answers.

Now, what's 1 - 0.9 recurring?

The government has easy political rationale to ignore parliaments vote by claiming it is honouring the referendum, e.g. by delivering Brexit.

If it was a parliament vote in a vacuum then its a lot harder.

I can't see any other outcome than May's deal passing at some point.

Labour's front bench supports Brexit in principle and so is only interested in delays or votes against in order to try and force a general election when they think that's advantageous to them. It seems increasingly unlikely that it is advantageous, but in any case most Tories, regardless of Brexit opinion, would do anything to avoid a GE whilst Brexit is an open issue as it threatens to destroy the party. The DUP have shown they can be bribed.

So, if no deal doesn't have a great deal of support amongst MPs and a GE will not be called, May's deal is the only game in town. Pathetic that it's come to this, and that UK politicians are so inept and incompetent they are facing this 'dilemma', but nothing is going to give so it's the clear best option out of a bad bunch for the only people who will get to decide.

It's probably the likeliest outcome but this whole process, even from before the referendum, has been marked by false "certainties".

Even if all of the DUP and ERG climb down (unlikely) May still needs to flip another 45 or so MPs.

Looking good for no deal....

Which also means it's looking good to revoke Article 50 and hold another referendum considering that the latest YouGov poll has

Remain 60, May 40

Remain 57, No Deal 43

and an increase in those expecting a second referendum from 19% to 28% over the past three weeks.

im all for a 2nd ref, but wasnt the polls showing remain would win pretty clear during the lead up to the 1st ref? Seems iffy to use them for reasons for 2nd ref if thats the case

Nothing has majority support right now and since no deal is the default that is looking like the most likely outcome.

Live statement by the PM tonight.

why are they still debating how long an extension they want... the EU already said no long extension
i am so happy finally some eu politician had the balls to tell the uk to f*ck off

She's gonna make MV3 a vote of confidence lol

How much more likely do you guys think a UK break-up would be if there is a no-deal Brexit?