No I never said that and you know I didn't.

Anything else?

Not said but implied. You clearly don't have an explanation for making that accusation so I'm expecting the usual fingers in ears and irrelevant and awful YouTube songs now.

Your polarisation get out clause is weak. As I said, keep the chezzing up.

No. I doubt it was even inferred. It certainly wasn't implied.

Jo Cox's death was a brutal reminder of the threat of the far right and why it must be tackled. This article reflects my views with particular regard to where we are with intimidation over brexit.

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/...-turn-violent/

Some points about why a no deal brexit is not going to the cliff edge project fear will have you believe.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/...-of-a-no-deal/

As always the propaganda is strong with those that don't want no deal. Similar to how we were told we would experience a punishment budget, an immediate recession and a stock market crash in the immediate aftermath if vote leave won. The leave campaign of course with their promise of unicorn deals and £350m a week for the NHS were equally as guilty of spinning complete bs to voters.

Cliffs : No deal brexit won't be utter armageddon.

That's not what the article says and anyway a right wing publication known for its anti-EU stance publishing an article claiming that no deal will be fine would hardly be newsworthy.

Submissions from interested parties to government in re the post-Brexit US-UK trade deal have concluded. The demands made by the US food and agribusiness lobby are frankly nightmarish.



It is worth reading the whole thread.

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/sta...87234778673154

The Americans want to wipe out all our consumer protections and food safety standards, and of course to wipe out all British agriculture and force us to eat toxic American food-substitutes, in which case we could look forward to a tenfold increase in food-poisoning cases, many of which would be fatal. One thing the Americans demand is dropping the ban on feeding animal products to animals, the thing that caused the BSE disaster. Basically the Americans want to give us Kreutzfeld-Jakob Disease.

It's because of this kind of crap that the EU refused a trade deal with the US, but then the EU isn't desperate. I doubt a British government would sign up to this, but, as we are no longer living in normal or even sane times, it's hard to know. Liam Fox says he won't abolish our food and farming standards, but he's a dishonest far-right numpty in the pay of US 'dark money' think-tanks, and he's admitted that post-Brexit he wants to see the NHS and, interestingly, the schools sold off to American profit-making corporations, so his word means little.



This follow-up article is also worth reading.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...it-trade-deal/

As is this.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...?CMP=edit_2221

We're fortunate in that 'chlorine chicken' and 'hormone beef' have become a popular shorthand for toxic US food-substitutes, which may create public resistance. We're less fortunate in that the politicians who guide our destiny are such corrupt and self-interested cretins.

It’s the ability to negotiate trade deals that really makes Brexit worthwhile.

There is, meanwhile, a Mutual Recognition Agreement with Australia to keep the goods flowing post-Brexit, but it only covers about 30% of UK exports.



It's also worth noting that the Australians see the UK as 'the distressed negotiator' (in other words, they have the advantage, as every trading nation will vis-a-vis the UK facing meltdown post-Brexit) and that in their view the UK will have lost most of its usefulness as a gateway to the EU.



Thread here:--

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/sta...58691629338626

All those idiot Leave voters in Sunderland (so unlike their Geordie neighbours in Newcastle, a Remain town), who think Nissan won't take the same view on EU access and simply shut the plant down, are, well, idiots. They voted themselves out of a job. And there won't be any other jobs going in Sunderland. Ever.

Incidentally, I've mentioned this before, but remember the iconic pictures of the blonde woman in the red Vote Leave T-shirt borne aloft on two men's shoulders, celebrating the result of the referendum count in Sunderland? It was the first sign that night that something had gone horribly, horribly wrong. Those TV shots went around the world and the press shots were on the next day's front pages.

https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2...an-investment/

That woman is called Samantha Adamson. Don't know anything about her. But we do know a bit about her mate in the blue Nike T-shirt just in front of her. He is called Billy Charlton. He's a member of Combat 18. (As I had to explain to a friend the other day, this refers to the first and eighth letters of the alphabet, AH. I leave it to the reader to work out whose initials those are. And that's Brexitards, I'm afraid.) He's EDL as well.


https://www.readytogo.net/smb/thread...-page.1244161/

https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2017/...nue-arguments/

https://northeastfascistsexposed.wor...illy_charlton/

This is why you don't hold referendums, least of all on general undefined notions instead of concrete proposals worked out in advance by government.

So we have (from 2016 numbers in link below):-

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindus...ith/2017-02-21


Global:
Imports: £561bn (EU 318 - ROTW 243)
Exports: £520bn (EU 236 - ROTW 284)

Australia:
Imports: £4.5bn
Exports: £8.6bn

and we have an agreement to keep 30% of those exports flowing post Brexit.


Trebles all round

Obviously not, since it's merely the status quo only not as good. Have you tried boiling your head?

I was being sarcastic - but I'll take your suggestion on board.

It is lollable that remainers keep touting end of the world scenarios for a WTO deal brexit.

They literally cannot find a positive argument to stay in EU, only negative ones about leaving.

Tells you everything you need to know about the EU when its supporters cannot say anything positive about it.

And their arguments continuously miss the point that this is about democracy and having people who are elected in charge and who can be removed if they do a bad job, not decisions of how to run things done by the non-elected, just before it's fed through a puppet-muppet 'European Parliament' to get rubber-stamped, in order to give it a whiff of democratic legitimacy.

Freedom of persons, goods, services and capital

A negative argument about leaving is clearly a positive argument about staying, no? It could expressed a little more attractively for people like you, but they are the same.

Your other comments about democracy have been addressed here dozens if not hundreds of times.

you shay that now ish your round!

Not quite sure what you mean but in case there's any confusion I don't think that after 2 years an agreement that may keep ~0.5% of our exports flowing freely is that much to get excited about.

I was joking about drinking. I understood what you meant.

The positive arguments for the EU are pretty simple and strong: to achieve free trade of goods, services, labor and capital between the member states.

and bring people together rather than polarising them.

Remember the original union was to help bring the french & germans closer together - a massive success. It's been a great aid with Ireland/N.Ireland, and is generally a great aid to the various age old enmities across Europe.

Do you think those things are not possible without a parliament and usurping all national laws by default, without proper consideration of subsidiarity?

Of course that’s possible: just look at how the EU tackled those questions. And I mean the real EU, not the dystopian fantasy you’ve made it into.

EU does nothing except lip service to consider subsidiarity

It ignores principles that interfere with the gathering of power.

They don't. The EU can only play a role in the areas that the member states allows them to be active in. It's a consensus based model and that is the opposite of what anyone would to choose if the purpose is to gather power.

In some areas that means they hold a lot of power, and that is exactly how everybody wants it, because it's they only way to make it work - and every member state benefits.