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07-13-2018 , 12:13 AM
Last week I was watching Prime Minister's Question time on C-SPAN. A [Labour?] MP stood up and recited a litany of Trump's numerous flaws before asking Mrs. May if she still intended to roll out the red carpet for the American President? (I'm paraphrasing a bit.) Mrs. May seemed to acknowledge that there are "issues" between Britain and the United States, but she expressed her strong belief that the way you deal with such differences is to talk about them, and that is exactly what she intended to do - she would "talk" with the American President.

This is another example of Trump settling a score. He had already complained (privately) to aides about Prime Minister May "lecturing" and "talking down to him" like a school marm - a perceived offense which he obviously resented. Always one to hold a grudge, Trump waited for the perfect moment to serve some payback.

Now, after Trump has figuratively kicked her in the teeth, I wonder if Mrs. May wishes she had heeded that MP's advice?
07-13-2018 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Pages 234567?

Its almost like the Sun is fox news.....oh wait.....

Anyway, how long before DB starts telling us Trump aint that bad?
Lol he's bloody awful. I pretty sure he's got mental problems. Whatever, he's totally unfit for the job.
07-13-2018 , 12:49 AM
Trump's Betrayal of Britain

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...s-help/565043/
07-13-2018 , 04:05 AM
Trade deals lads, trade deals. Oh.
07-13-2018 , 07:34 AM
Pretty much everyone who has hitched their wagon to Trumps star is either broke in jail or at best vilified in all of civilized society. Trump may well be immune to reality but his remora fish don't seem to share his protections. Another great decision by Boris to get on the Trump train.
07-13-2018 , 09:31 AM
Trump already throwing the sun and boris under the bus.

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Q: [From the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg] You have changed your tune on trade. What you said about May, is that the behaviour of a friend?

Trump says he did not criticise the PM. He says a story was done that did not put in what he said about May. He says he records his interviews. The story was “fake news”.

Trump claims Sun write-up of his interview was “fake news” because it did not include his positive comments about May - even though the Sun report did include Trump’s pro-May comments.
What a reliable friend and ally to have...
07-13-2018 , 10:33 AM
I have a "theory" on what produced Trump's sudden 180 reversal on Mrs. May and the "fake news" in the Sun. It went something like this ...

Mrs. May: "Mr. President ... My agents in MI-5 have shown me the tape of you enjoying that golden shower over in Moscow. Now, you get out in front of the cameras and say how mistaken - and how 'taken out of context' you were - or I have a feeling that tape will "leak" to the press before you're out of Britain on your way to see your friend Putin."

Trump: "I'll deny it! I'll deny it!! I'll ask my loyal supporters who do they believe - their lying eyes or me - the greatest President in the history of the United States!"

Without saying a word, Mrs. May reaches for the telephone ...

Trump: "Oh, alright, alright! You win!"

Last edited by Former DJ; 07-13-2018 at 10:50 AM.
07-13-2018 , 10:53 AM
That or he's a senile old moron who just says whatever he's thinking in the moment with no understanding of how it will affect things in the future then says whatever else he happens to be thinking at a later time.

Like people say dogs are great because they live in the moment and can teach us about mindfulness but even a dog looks a bit sheepish when you turn up to a room full of ripped up toilet rolls. Trump doesn't even have the foresight of a dog.
07-13-2018 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
That or he's a senile old moron who just says whatever he's thinking in the moment with no understanding of how it will affect things in the future then says whatever else he happens to be thinking at a later time.

Like people say dogs are great because they live in the moment and can teach us about mindfulness but even a dog looks a bit sheepish when you turn up to a room full of ripped up toilet rolls. Trump doesn't even have the foresight of a dog.
This
07-14-2018 , 08:39 AM
If messing with Britian and the Brexit were his worst sin we'd have to canonize him.
07-15-2018 , 03:51 AM
Brexit ReferendumBrexit ReferendumBrexit Referendum this is actually hilarious. I’m happy that you will suffer you cretin.
07-15-2018 , 05:09 AM


because of course he did
07-15-2018 , 07:00 AM
Sue the EU for breaking what law? More evidence of dementia.
07-16-2018 , 05:35 AM
Well, he has just declared the EU as a "foe" of America so he's clearly trying to have as many people gunning for them as possible.
07-16-2018 , 05:10 PM
Prediction time! How does this play out over the next few months?
07-16-2018 , 05:21 PM
Bloody hell. How does this play out by Wednesday is hard enough. I predict May survives unchallenged but I ain't betting the house on it.
07-16-2018 , 05:25 PM
The crux question was raised on the daily politics today.

Should we be willing to risk some May type fudgy, messy deal to go instead for a **** or bust, hard brexit vs remain referendum.
07-16-2018 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The crux question was raised on the daily politics today.

Should we be willing to risk some May type fudgy, messy deal to go instead for a **** or bust, hard brexit vs remain referendum.
remain ie go back to what it was, is not a realistic choice here.

that door has closed.

So it's properly Leave vs whatever deal the EU feel is acceptable to remain.

Bye bye any kind of refund, and the various opt outs, at the very least...


May will be gone in next few months. JC as PM soon imo.

So buckle down for a five year ****storm after that.
07-16-2018 , 05:46 PM
It's definitely not certainly impossible and it's a huge prize.

I am at my most despairing at those who really want it but give up so easily (doesn't apply to you obviously)
07-16-2018 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It's definitely not certainly impossible and it's a huge prize.
What, exactly, is this huge prize you're talking about?
07-16-2018 , 05:58 PM
remaining in the EU
07-16-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
remaining in the EU
Under the terms they set, right?

Is that a reasonable point to raise?
07-16-2018 , 06:06 PM
Sure, it's reasonable to raise.

I'm not that coicnerned about the terms beyond that if the EU don't help with the remain cause then it's going to be very very hard to win the 2nd referendum. If we get to that stage and the EU make it hard for remain to win then that will be a tragic mistake on their part.
07-16-2018 , 06:09 PM
And unless the EU spell out what they will be offering before this vote, then people voting 'remain' won't know what they're voting for, right?

So, would you vote 'remain' when you know the terms for remaining are now in the hands of the EU?

I mean, if it's remain and the EU have not been clear what the new order of things will be, they can offer what they like and know it has to be accepted, right?

Do you see this a different way. Should we rely on the kindess of the EUrocrats? They seem quite reasonable and in control, after all...
07-16-2018 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Sure, it's reasonable to raise.

I'm not that coicnerned about the terms beyond that if the EU don't help with the remain cause then it's going to be very very hard to win the 2nd referendum. If we get to that stage and the EU make it hard for remain to win then that will be a tragic mistake on their part.
How will they help the remain cause? Break one of their red lines that they've insisted over and over they will not break?

      
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