I take it you're picking your ball up and going home with it.

Seems like Trump isn't the only one who routinely gets defeated in debates and is so lacking in self-awareness he claims victory.

And itt we get just a small snapshot of who really matter, little england and nobody else.

How about you take the football chat elsewhere? Plenty of places for it here.

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More threats to refuse to pay your bills along with EU migrants working in the UK without the need for visas.

****s still haven't a clue what they want ffs.

~half want to stay
~half want to leave
almost no-one wants what we're heading towards. 13% approval is surprisingly high

Elolzor doing his usual tricks, having been proven to be an information-free zone again.

Your and chez's short term memories are perfect examples of why it's possible to make money betting on football results. You think of Rooney and immediately recall the overweight, slower, couldn't-be-arsed Rooney, not the Euro 2004 Rooney who had every knowledgeable (ie not you and chez obviously) football pundit, including Eriksson, Charlton and the aforementioned Giles (who you've probably never heard of) eulogising about his incredible talent and comparing him to Pele.

You're the guy who when he thinks of the Stones, thinks of the ridiculous self-parody they became instead of the 68-72 world-beating band, and denounces them as overrated.

We can all scrape up obscure online articles by unknown punters to back our points a la chez, but that carries little weight next to the opinion of eminent players and managers.

Congratulations on winning an imaginary argument that literally no one is engaged with or interested in.

If you find yourself making stuff like this up then you should possibly consider that you spend too much time in this forum.

I'm not judging Roony on his later performances anymore than I'm judging Gazza on his sobriety. That's total bollocks on your part.

You're judging Gascoigne significantly on him being a former Spuds player, a huge bias error on your part which I should instead have cited as an example of why, say, England's odds are usually way off in big international games... and that's without even touching on the cranky Glen "What did he do in his 53 caps?!" Hoddle appraisal.

That effect is entirely down to people who think like you, and long may it continue on the betting markets.

That we end up reading your unbalanced partisan opinions here is part and parcel of an internet forum, I guess.

Making up something different to the other bollocks you made up doesn't alter the fact that's it's just bollocks you made up.

I just disagree with you because I think you are wrong. I'm not going to make up the same sort of bollocks about you being biased against gazza and god because you're an arsenal fan.

Link me to articles with knowledgeable people at the time comparing Gascoigne with Maradona.

how much are you up lifetime vs the bookies may i ask

I won a most enjoyable bet vs friend on gazza scoring the first goal against turkey. Maybe that is biasing me

about 2.5 mins in

Watched on a huge screen, whole crowd rising to their feet as it unfolded except my friend with head in hands.

Then again I only made the bet because of my biased view after watching gazza playing like he was a ****ing genius.

That's the right way oif thinking. Also, if a general election is after a deal with the EU, then pretty much everything pre-deal becomes irrelevant.

Current crop are ok but we're only going to good when some new more talented players come through.

The response to england reaching the semis beggers belief and is revealinf og politcal support as well. England were very ordinary, played nobody, got lucky and still didn't make the finals. if the same team had had a hard (let's be honest, even an average draw) then we would probably have been knocked out much earlier and people would be far more negative about exactly the same players playing exactly the same way.

I don't know why you think this isn't true or can't be done.

This is a gambling site. Would you like to bet with me, stakes held in escrow if more than £1000, that I'm not up a five figure sum at Betfair alone?

i think it's not true because 1) almost everyone i meet says they are up vs the bookies yet the paddy power, ladbrokes, william hill and coral down the road all still seem to be fully staffed and open for business and 2) people lie to themselves.

i think it can be done, but not on the back of insights such as 'english players are less technically gifted than many foreign players'

i do believe that you earnestly think you're up vs the bookies lifetime if that's any consolation

on your bet offer, i'm not wil23509. although feel free to poast your betfair record if you like

beating betfair is different to beating a bookie. I'm sure it can be done, Happy to believe Jalfrezi beats it.

for the record i used to spread bet on corners. I never imagined I had an edge or was winning and I didn't. It did make watching football huge fun through - not many better forms of -ev gambling imo

I've no interest in posting my bet record as a brag, only in winning a bet against someone calling my honesty into question.

You should simply retract or accept my bet offer without implying that I'm imagining it.

Bet or retract.

Beating Betfair is different to beating the bookies, but the opposite to how you mean: it's much harder to overcome the overround than it is Betfair commission, but there are many more market edges to be exerted at the bookies.

If you'd like to bet on whether I'm up against the bookies I think I can still access my closed accounts at the main bookie sites.

lol calm down precious. privileged to meet yet another bookie buster

guess its just me and mc1 keeping them afloat

I see. Happy to slander someone but unwilling to retract or back your position up. Some might call it cowardly.

already stated that i dont think you're lying

Farage, who utterly opposed U.S Presidents commenting on UK politics, must be ****ing **** as ****.

Pages 234567?

Its almost like the Sun is fox news.....oh wait.....

Anyway, how long before DB starts telling us Trump aint that bad?

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1498...-vulnerability

Man I figured Boris' stock couldn't get any lower but a Trump endorsement? Damn.

Back to the panel shows please. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.