He doesn’t have a clue mate, he just crows on in a jingoistic fashion about things he’s been corrected on countless times. Moreover, he doesn’t care. He’s willing to watch the world burn for his ‘sovereignty’ experiment. Remember this is a guy who can’t cite one EU law that negatively affects the UK except some vague waffle about the CFP straight from the daily mail.

I presume he thinks the UK will be negotiating just the best trade deals because he assumes the UK is the one in the position of power? Rather than ****ing desperate to put something in place so that the economy doesn’t collapse as a result of him and his little england buddies falling for the 350 mill to the nhs/close the borders bull****.

I dgaf about the Irish border.

Lol you ****ing moron, it's also a UK border.

Eh Northern Ireland should be its own state imo.

So leave it open our side. EU can vet their side if they want.

But whatevs, I don't care either way

So you're a complete numbnuts then.

****s like you have created the situation yet want to be absolved of all responsibility.

How about go **** yourself with a hedgehog.

Hahaha I think we angered him marty. Again showing with a few sentences that he understands nothing. All he knows is he’s damn angry at something, someone, and he’s been told destroying the country will fix it. I really hope you don’t have any kids mate, because history will not look upon you kindly, and your kids will be the ones suffering the consequences of your insecurity.

Unlike the kids growing up in Italy, Greece, Spain, say?

You know, those ones whose prospects have been wrecked by the euro...?

Brought in by the wonderful and glorious EU...

Yeah you’re right, the UK really began to go downhill after we adopted the Euro.

As usual, can't grasp the point.

Or deliberately missing the point because no decent argument can be made.

Because your point is made from an imagined position. It has no basis in reality. It relies on some future as yet unknown overreach by the EU that could not and would not happen. Everything you say follows this theme. As I say, it’s the next generation who will suffer the consequences of your insecurity and paranoia.

I think this has been apparent for quite some considerable time.

this idea that while the member states are thoroughly in charge of what the eu does now they will at some point in the future hand over that control, is by far the weirdest one you have on this issue.

like the countries in the council are going to go from setting the direction and having final say on basically everything to giving that away. there's a reason the system is set up with all the power being placed with the council. it's because nothing would work or be acceptable. it's silly to think that'll ever change

(the same goes chezlaw's silly ideas tbf)

No it shouldn't, the clue is in the island it is on and in its name.

Your position on the EU and the European parliament is by far the more bizarre. But that aside. The people who deny that the EU is a fast developing political power in it's own right are simply not communicating in any way with the rest of us.

and if you really want nation states to remain completely sovereign then I totally disagree with you. Nationalism, patriotism blah di blah are all bad things.

Pure fantasy and a convenient way to avoid the initial question.

Not worth addressing tbh, unless you're gonna insult the idiot.

Meanwhile, this is what the pro-Brexit counter-march in London on Saturday (about 600 people waving Free Tommy placards, compared to the 100,000 on the anti-Brexit march) looked like.



After their short march, which no one except the police and the BBC actually noticed, the fat fascists went and drank at the Marquis of Granby pub and harassed people leaving the main march. Like this.



And this.



That's Leavers. That's who they are.

You also appear not to understand the situation either.

If we leave it open on our side we have to leave it open to all WTO members.

and then the eu has no choice

Legally, if the UK goes for the zero tariffs with the whole world option then yes* we could ignore the border but then goods from the USA, China etc etc could be landed in NI and moved into the EU with zero tariffs unless the EU enforces a border. That would put the EU in breach of the wto rules unless they enforce the border.

The whole thing is a nightmare without a deal.

*even that is uncertain. Becoming a free-standing member of the wto is itself messy.

Eh?

Chezafarage charging in again.

Daca's views pretty much conform to every pro remain poster itt, apart from you.

Its basically only you who use Daily Mail rhetoric about the EU, then parse it through the perspective of it being a good thing.

lol oaf. You could probably do better than resort to silly insults - then again maybe not when your position is so ridiculous.

Then again we still don't know where you are actually pro-EU or not. At least daca is open that he doesn't want the EU parliament to continue to develop and is against pooling sovereignty very much. I'm strongly in favour - where do you stand?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...beat-the-crash

This argument is going to be difficult to resolve. If his private info is a poll saying narrow-leave, and the broad market movements suggest remain, it could be argued it does look like remain could 'edge it' (since the market consists of informed hedge funds with other private polls and all sorts of other info).

You could probably also argue any other position in between, and it could come down to pure luck which unreliable poll happened to be in whose hands and got lucky with the result, even knowing the poll was not really actionable in advance.

If Farage's prediction octopus had picked 'leave' in private, and then he said 'remain edge it' based on markets and press, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal, because the press and its readers can understand the limitations of an octopus, but cant understand polling.

Spotlight on bbc1 tonight should be worth a watch.

About DUP - vote leave, their funding and someone from New York police want to look into the shady **** going on.