English people don't need the other parts hence referenda on independence being available on request.

Which two regions are those?

marty

I'm happy for them to be their own states. I seen it as inevitable that countries would want self-determination.

That's how I square it.

Not quite on request.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36867886

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/lor...poll-1-7489284

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Jalfrezi...Scotland and the north.

The North? I'm pretty sure the North was entirely for leaving.

You're confusing The North with Northern Ireland, entirely different regions.

I've never seen any data that shows the North of England in favour of secession.

Now if you'd said London you'd have had more of a point.

this talk of relenting I mentioned... some interesting early doors news...


Brexit: EU considers migration ‘emergency brake’ for UK for up to seven years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...on-seven-years

So I asked the wrong question.

The people that lead and will implement brexit are steadfast that the union will remain and short shrift has been given to thought of Scotland and the north going it alone....how do you square that?

I mean, May hasn't ****ed up about it.

All I can think is hypocritical ****bags as usual and I'm not sure I believe a little englander such as yourself would really support splitting your glorious union after hundreds of years of domination.

I was sad when they didn't go for independence. They were obv being mugged off by the English elite.

You obv have preconceived ideas about me, so I'll let you argue my side as well as yours in your own posts, you'll be happier that way - you seem the type to get annoyed if people don't fit into the boxes you've made for them.

Hope that goes well!

We don't know how this will pan out but I really struggle with those who are so convinced there's some immovable line on access to the single market with no possibility of a deal. The level of conviction to the point it's presented as a statement of facts is almost surreal.

A 2nd referendum you say ...

interesting article about how remainers and leavers have changed their thoughts over the last month

What's on the minds of voters since the Brexit result?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...e-minds-voters

The link says your first minister doesn't want one.

The first few first ministers of Scotland didn't want one so they elected one who did and the referendum took place.

Obviously there are different views in the communities in NI and the Protestants have a built in majority, but your assertion that there is a part of the UK being kept in against its will as a whole isn't true.

As for your question in the other post, I don't need to 'square' the views of people I've never met, never voted for and who'll be gone from politics in a much shorter time than the effects of this referendum will be felt.

Its interesting how the narrative is EU not flexible on immigration, thus they deserved it, when in fact the reality is that the EU offered the UK the chance in 2004 to introduce freedom of movement gradually over ten years but the UK government said NO, full speed ahead scotty.

Weren't you one of the guys who argued the 4 freedoms were essential and irreducible?

The thing about a "migration break" is that it doesn't really work that well. Germany took that gradual introduction of the freedom of movement in 2004, but we still had Polish plumbers. They were just self-employed and sub-contracted. This way they can even evade minimum-wage and other labour laws, so even without freedom of movement you will still have people "taking your jobs", if you don't have very restrictive laws on sub-contracting.

The few things that are different are that they have less incentive to learn the language and you mostly get young men instead of young families.

Unfortunately the narrative to the leave camp is that our side keep lying and offers nothing positive. We can actually manage to make Boris look more in touch with reality.

The fact the government also lied about immigration and the brexit campaign told huge whoppers doesn't make that narrative any better.

Question From A Yank

I've seen references elsewhere in this thread reporting a (large?) number of MPs resigning from the House of Commons. Voluntary mass resignations of sitting members of Congress are very rare here in the United States, so it's natural to wonder why?

I'm not aware of Theresa May calling an election, so why are MPs resigning? (Can individual MPs be challenged at any time and have to face a "snap election" solely in their respective district or constituency?) Are some of the resigning MPs committed diehard Remainers who want no part in Brexit? Are some of them fearful of being voted out in the next election - when it is called - so they've decided to go ahead and get out before they're thrown out? Are a number of them "fed up" with the recent turn of events and simply decided they've had enough? Are Labour MPs resigning because they think their party is doomed? (Is it a combination of all these factors?)

Curious Alan in America

they are resigning from the shadow cabinet, not from the commons

basically they are resigning from a pretend government job as a protest against corbyn

so when Joe Bloggs, MP for Blahborough North and Shadow Under-Secretary to the Shadow Secretary of Secretarial Affairs (LAB) resigns he becomes simply Joe Bloggs, MP for Blahborough North (LAB)

BAIDS:

Oh, so I get it - the Labour Party is having a heart attack.

More like a giant personality dissection

Taking into account the wide disparancies between economies in the EU why do you feel it is appropriate to have such arrangements between all member states at this time?

Or more to the point, why exclude other poor nations (of a similar standing) from free movement between their state and the EU?

Do you not think this would help increase their living standards? Or don't the non EU citizens matter to you?

Once again lol Richdog. The EU does not enforce exclusion for anyone.

Because you can't do everything at once, obviously.


Funny how you truncated my post to exclude a question I asked you:

I cant believe this is still going on.

One group like free movement in Europe and would generally probably like to make it easier to immigrate from around the world.

Another group dont want free movement and would generally probably like to make it harder to immigrate from around the world.

but lets talk about how the first group doesnt care about potential immigrants.

If you put yourself in the minds of people who believe there has to be a limit on immigrants (or even just accept that the political pressure means that there will be a limit) then it makes sense.